Neurological EMP Devices Kurt Feltenberger (14 Apr 2018 03:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (14 Apr 2018 03:57 UTC)
Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (17 Apr 2018 10:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kelly St. Clair (18 Apr 2018 00:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Graham Donald (18 Apr 2018 07:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Bruce Johnson (18 Apr 2018 18:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (19 Apr 2018 07:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (19 Apr 2018 10:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (19 Apr 2018 21:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (20 Apr 2018 01:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Apr 2018 17:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (21 Apr 2018 08:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Tim (21 Apr 2018 09:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (23 Apr 2018 01:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices shadow97218@xxxxxx (23 Apr 2018 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (23 Apr 2018 20:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Bruce Johnson (24 Apr 2018 16:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (24 Apr 2018 18:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (25 Apr 2018 02:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (25 Apr 2018 23:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (26 Apr 2018 00:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (26 Apr 2018 00:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (26 Apr 2018 22:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Graham Donald (26 Apr 2018 01:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (26 Apr 2018 22:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (27 Apr 2018 07:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (28 Apr 2018 00:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Robert O'Connor (29 Apr 2018 05:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (29 Apr 2018 19:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (30 Apr 2018 08:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (30 Apr 2018 18:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Robert O'Connor (02 May 2018 08:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (03 May 2018 00:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (03 May 2018 02:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (04 May 2018 01:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (05 May 2018 02:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kenneth Barns (05 May 2018 03:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kenneth Barns (23 Apr 2018 23:56 UTC)

Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Robert O'Connor 29 Apr 2018 05:06 UTC

Richard Aiken wrote (of neuromuscular blocking drugs):
 > If you're delivering the toxin to a limited set of specific neural
 > intersections - because you're using tiny self-directing robots rather
 > than random distribution - shouldn't that reduce the required dose
 > rather significantly?

No; the distribution isn't random.
While there are so many molecules that statistics and probability can
come in to play, drugs move between compartments due to concentration
gradients, solubility coefficients, binding to carrier proteins, and
ultimately their affinity for the target once they are in range of it.

So multiple physical phenomena are involved: bulk flow (e.g. blood
circulating through target tissue), diffusion, solubility and the
reaction kinetics of binding to carriers or targets.

The 'limited set' of neuromuscular junctions is large (~10^8) as each
skeletal muscle fibre has a accompanying nerve ending.

The required effect site concentration to produce 50% blockade (EC50) is
on the order of 100-1000 nanograms/mL, or 10^(-6 to -7)g/mL.

The functional volume of the effect site is small - which gets you back
to the same order of magnitude [~10^(-3)g] posted previously.

You raise another problem with nanotech: how do the tiny robots
'self-direct'?

Chemical or temperature gradients?
Recognition of (cell and tissue) surface molecules?

They are too small (micrometre and smaller scale) to have
electromagnetic or sound-based sensors.

Rob O'Connor