Neurological EMP Devices Kurt Feltenberger (14 Apr 2018 03:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (14 Apr 2018 03:57 UTC)
Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (17 Apr 2018 10:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kelly St. Clair (18 Apr 2018 00:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Graham Donald (18 Apr 2018 07:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Bruce Johnson (18 Apr 2018 18:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (19 Apr 2018 07:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (19 Apr 2018 10:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (19 Apr 2018 21:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (20 Apr 2018 01:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Jeffrey Schwartz (20 Apr 2018 17:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (21 Apr 2018 08:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Tim (21 Apr 2018 09:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (23 Apr 2018 01:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices shadow97218@xxxxxx (23 Apr 2018 19:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (23 Apr 2018 20:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Bruce Johnson (24 Apr 2018 16:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (24 Apr 2018 18:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (25 Apr 2018 02:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (25 Apr 2018 23:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Phil Pugliese (26 Apr 2018 00:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (26 Apr 2018 00:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (26 Apr 2018 22:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Graham Donald (26 Apr 2018 01:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (26 Apr 2018 22:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (27 Apr 2018 07:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (28 Apr 2018 00:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Robert O'Connor (29 Apr 2018 05:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (29 Apr 2018 19:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (30 Apr 2018 08:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (30 Apr 2018 18:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Robert O'Connor (02 May 2018 08:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (03 May 2018 00:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rupert Boleyn (03 May 2018 02:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Richard Aiken (04 May 2018 01:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor (05 May 2018 02:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kenneth Barns (05 May 2018 03:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Re: Neurological EMP Devices Kenneth Barns (23 Apr 2018 23:56 UTC)

Re: Neurological EMP Devices Rob O'Connor 17 Apr 2018 10:24 UTC

Kurt Feltenberger wrote:
 > ... it's a sort of super EMP/radio wave device
 > that only effects the human neruo-muscular [system]
 > while leaving the brain undamaged and intact.
 > In short, the victim has no control over his
 > voluntary muscles but can breath and otherwise function.
<snip>
 > My question to the list is thus:
 > How possible are they in reality?

Impossible, given the quoted requirements above.

The central nervous system is covered in electrical insulators: skin,
muscle, bone and other tissues.

A taser works by the darts overcoming the impedance and getting enough
current to the muscles to produce fasciculations or involuntary
contractions, predominantly via surface spread of the current.

Transcranial magnetic stimulation relies on coils in contact with the
head that generate high intensity magnetic fields (2-3 Tesla, so tens of
thousands of times stronger than Earth's field).

They only allow the induction of currents 5-6cm deep, so don't reach
some important central bits of the corticospinal or rubrospinal tracts
involved in voluntary movement - but the motor strips of the cerebral
cortex and part of the internal capsules would be in range.

Magnetic resonance machines used in imaging can get above 5 Tesla in the
imaging volume. Visual illusions can be elicited by the time varying
fields, but nothing like the peripheral motor paralysis required in the
original post has been observed with the use of these high field
strength scanners.

As an aside, it is possible to induce malignant heart rhythms in these
machines by folding your arms across your chest so that a loop current
can be induced by the circulating blood...

So a ranged weapon like the anti-drone directional radio jammers or a
brain 'EMP' bomb is grossly impractical. The energy requirements get
very large thanks to inverse square or inverse with distance effects.

The taser is about as good as distant electrical stimulation gets -
which isn't very good. The Area Denial System which relies on
essentially microwaving the victim until skin pain receptors are
activated is another 'less than lethal electromagnetic weapon'.

Pragmatically, drug darts or chemical aerosols would be a better
investment of time and energy.

What would be plausible is a 'control helmet' as a near-future restraint
device. It would use transcranial coils to jam the motor cortices of the
cerebrum, preventing the initiation of voluntary movement. Potential
side effects would include seizures, strokes and death.

It would also be possible to induce involuntary movements - a 'puppeteer
device', so to speak - if the cortices could be mapped to sufficient
resolution ("What happens if I poke this bit of brain?")

Robert O'Connor