Detecting air rafts
shadow@xxxxxx
(22 Feb 2018 02:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Kurt Feltenberger
(22 Feb 2018 02:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Caleuche
(22 Feb 2018 04:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
shadow@xxxxxx
(22 Feb 2018 07:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Tim
(22 Feb 2018 06:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Roger Gammans
(22 Feb 2018 18:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Bruce Johnson
(22 Feb 2018 18:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Rupert Boleyn
(23 Feb 2018 11:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
shadow@xxxxxx
(23 Feb 2018 19:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Rupert Boleyn
(23 Feb 2018 20:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Bruce Johnson
(23 Feb 2018 20:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Tim
(24 Feb 2018 01:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts
Thomas Jones-Low
(24 Feb 2018 01:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Detecting air rafts Jeffrey Schwartz (24 Feb 2018 00:13 UTC)
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https://hackaday.com/2015/06/05/building-your-own-sdr-based-passive-radar-on-a-shoestring/ Use the SatCom traffic as your illumination. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:41 PM, shadow at shadowgard.com (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote: > I've been noodling with an idea for some time, and I figured I'd ask > this list for some info. > > Basic idea is somebody who claimed a big section of land on a > frontier world. Or maybe it's long settled, but low pop. > > I'm assuming that on a place like this you can claim a fairly large > hunk of land. Multiple km on a side. > > He's quite a bit paranoid, and likes his privacy. So he worries about > getting tracked to various places on his property. > > I'm assuming a satellite net for communications, S&R, weather and > some limited mapping purposes. > > Anyway, I've been thinking about ways you can detect an air raft of > similar vehicle. > > Anything active will be a dead giveaway that someone is looking. So > radar/lidar are mostly out. > > Visual from orbit can be dealt with in various ways, (like flying > thru narrow canyons/valleys when the angle is wrong for satellites. > Ditto for flying (carefully) under the cover of trees (virgin forest > is good for that sort of thing. :-) > > So visual & IR aren't too bad to deal with. > > With "civilian" grade sensors (as opposed to military or ISS grade) > an air raft or larger "truck"/RV type vehicle doesn't emit enough EM > to track easily. > > That leaves the CG & propulsion. What Piper called "lift & drive". > They are probably detectable to some extent with grav sensors of some > sort. > > Question is, how detectable and at what range. > > I'm gonna go with "speed of plot" in the end, but I'm interested in > how "reasonable" folks think my ideas are. > > So, I figure that from orbit, the best you can do is "yeah, there's a > grav vehicle operating in [large area]". Tens of miles or more. > (gravity is a fairly weak force after all) > > Get closer and there are probably "home on grav" missiles and the > like, but you'd have to be within a few miles. > > So I'm planning on assuming that absent a tail, or IN/ISS sensors he > can in fact count on it being hard to tell where on his property he's > going if he takes some fairly simple precautions. > > Anybody see a problem with that? > > -- > Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) > shadow at shadowgard dot com > > > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com > To unsubscribe from this list please go to > http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=vSy3NFQJMSbZKrzPfC3XucFBsUCMtKrI