On 2/5/2018 3:44 PM, Timothy Collinson wrote: > Very odd rewatching these old films I've long forgotten with a > Traveller ref's eye to plot/probability/PC actions/equipment! But I > must say Where Eagles Dare was remarkably exciting and has worn well > for something that's nearly as old as I am. Tomorrow a 1940 Zorro - > maybe it will help with my noble scions! For good gun handling, watch Heat or Sicario. Heat has perhaps the most realistic shootout ever filmed. Sicario, has perhaps one of the best takedowns, when they were at the border crossing. For what *could* be done, John Wick and John Wick 2, while somewhat fantastic on plot and character durability, do show what a Tier 1 *civilian* shooter could do. I make the distinction because the military people I've trained with have no desire to "go gamer" and get shot. -- Kurt Feltenberger xxxxxx@thepaw.org/xxxxxx@yahoo.com “Before today, I was scared to live, after today, I'm scared I'm not living enough." - Me