Musings on Maneuver Drive
Robert O'Connor
(17 Dec 2017 04:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(17 Dec 2017 11:30 UTC)
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Rob O'Connor
(18 Dec 2017 08:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
C. Berry
(18 Dec 2017 21:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Rob O'Connor
(20 Dec 2017 09:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
C. Berry
(20 Dec 2017 16:21 UTC)
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Jerry Barrington
(20 Dec 2017 17:32 UTC)
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Jerry Barrington
(20 Dec 2017 17:40 UTC)
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C. Berry
(20 Dec 2017 17:42 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(21 Dec 2017 04:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(21 Dec 2017 06:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Kelly St. Clair
(21 Dec 2017 06:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(21 Dec 2017 06:30 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(21 Dec 2017 18:18 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(21 Dec 2017 21:39 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(21 Dec 2017 23:48 UTC)
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Jerry Barrington
(23 Dec 2017 13:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Edward Swatschek
(22 Dec 2017 01:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Phil Pugliese
(22 Dec 2017 05:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(21 Dec 2017 06:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(21 Dec 2017 06:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Rob O'Connor
(22 Dec 2017 07:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Richard Aiken
(22 Dec 2017 12:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive Rob O'Connor (23 Dec 2017 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Tim
(23 Dec 2017 07:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
shadow@xxxxxx
(24 Dec 2017 13:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Tim
(25 Dec 2017 00:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Robert O'Connor
(25 Dec 2017 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
shadow@xxxxxx
(01 Jan 2018 03:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
Rob O'Connor
(02 Jan 2018 03:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Musings on Maneuver Drive
shadow@xxxxxx
(02 Jan 2018 19:40 UTC)
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Richard Aiken wrote: > To my original question of "Is 5% of volume enough fuel for four > round trips to the typical 100d limit?" The answer is no. Let's work through why. It is not possible for that volume of hydrogen, as you need to have a rocket whose exhaust travels faster than light with that fuel fraction/implied mass ratio. With 5% fuel mass (water 5% of volume), as previously calculated, one round trip with 1G continuous acceleration requires an exhaust velocity of ~9460 km/sec. If we assume highly efficient fusion drives with an exhaust velocity of 10% of the speed of light: delta-v = exhaust velocity x ln(initial mass/final mass) delta-v = 0.1 x c x 0.051, using a fuel mass fraction of 5% = 1530 km/sec So our hypothetical water rockets do something more than fuse the hydrogen and oxygen atoms to get thrust. If we use the antimatter example: delta-v = 0.58 x c x 0.051 = 8864 km/sec So our water rockets likely violate conservation of mass-energy. You can't get more energy out of something than mc^2 for a given mass. If four round trips are the required level of performance, then the required delta-v goes up to ~37840 km/sec. Using the antimatter rocket example: ln(initial mass/final mass) = 37840/(0.58 x c) initial mass/final mass = 1.24 So if the fuel is 20% of the vehicle's initial mass, then you can do four round trips at 1G constant boost with our hypothetical antimatter rocket. The exhaust is a multi terawatt stream of gamma rays and neutral particles produced by annihilating the fuel. This has been a small sampler of 'reasons why drives that are *not* rockets are popular in space operas'. Rob O'Connor