1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 03:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (27 Sep 2017 03:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 21:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (28 Sep 2017 00:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (28 Sep 2017 02:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 13:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (27 Sep 2017 03:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (27 Sep 2017 05:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (27 Sep 2017 05:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (28 Sep 2017 01:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (27 Sep 2017 19:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (27 Sep 2017 19:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (28 Sep 2017 17:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 17:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (28 Sep 2017 21:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (28 Sep 2017 22:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (28 Sep 2017 22:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (29 Sep 2017 02:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (29 Sep 2017 02:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (29 Sep 2017 20:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 15:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (29 Sep 2017 18:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Grimmund (29 Sep 2017 23:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (29 Sep 2017 23:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (30 Sep 2017 00:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (30 Sep 2017 21:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (30 Sep 2017 23:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (01 Oct 2017 02:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (01 Oct 2017 03:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (03 Oct 2017 12:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (04 Oct 2017 02:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Richard Aiken (09 Oct 2017 10:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (09 Oct 2017 12:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 16:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Kelly St. Clair (09 Oct 2017 18:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (09 Oct 2017 21:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:09 UTC)
Re: 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (28 Sep 2017 14:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 05:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 05:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (05 Oct 2017 08:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (05 Oct 2017 14:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (05 Oct 2017 23:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (06 Oct 2017 00:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (06 Oct 2017 05:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (05 Oct 2017 06:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Rupert Boleyn (05 Oct 2017 05:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (06 Oct 2017 09:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Evyn MacDude (07 Oct 2017 04:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (08 Oct 2017 20:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Tim (09 Oct 2017 01:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Edward Swatschek (09 Oct 2017 22:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (09 Oct 2017 22:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. tmr0195@xxxxxx (10 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (14 Oct 2017 09:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Phil Pugliese (14 Oct 2017 17:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Colin paddock (16 Oct 2017 06:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. C. Berry (16 Oct 2017 16:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. shadow@xxxxxx (17 Oct 2017 11:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Thomas Jones-Low (17 Oct 2017 11:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton 27 Sep 2017 20:48 UTC

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 05:51:27AM +0000, Thomas Jones-Low wrote:
> On 9/27/2017 1:41 AM, Richard Aiken wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Richard Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I know that the force of gravity drops with distance from the center of
> > > mass. If a 1-G streamlined ship aerodynamically flies up to maximum
> > > altitude (e.g. as high as winged lift can take it), would the force of
> > > gravity become low enough for it to boost into orbit from there?
> > >
> > >

IIRC, gravity at R_earth + 250km is about 9.4 m/s^2 but that's me
looking at the output of computer program who's primary purpose isn't
to measure that at all.

> >
> > Google tells me that most military aircraft have service ceilings in excess
> > of 50,000 feet.
> > It also tells me that a mass of 150 pounds actually weighs ~149.92 pounds
> > at 10,000 feet elevation.
> > So . . . maybe the ship can just barely make it?
> >

I'm fairly certain that the reduction in gravity isn't a factor that
low. Even wih those numbers you are looking at a 0.06% reduction.

> 	An aircraft with much less that 1G of thrust can get to 50,000 feet. But
> the problem isn't height, it's velocity. At lower altitudes the air
> resistance will prevent the ship from getting enough velocity. At higher
> altitudes there may not be enough air to provide more lift. Oxygen for the
> engines isn't a problem for a space ship.
>
> 	I think the answer is yes, but for a different reason.

Also, aircraft attain altitude mainly from the lift that their wings
generate. Fighter aircraft can generally tailstand but even an F-15
couldn't tailstand from surface to the Karman line.

This does bring up another possiblity though. On a size 8 planet,
there could be a ferry service that took you above the thick part of
the atmosphere and to a pretty high velocity via either grav, or aero
and then released you such that you could get to orbit. Sounds like it
comes with a bigger risk thank a Vilani would take though.

--
Chris

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