1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Christopher Sean Hilton
(27 Sep 2017 03:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(27 Sep 2017 03:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Christopher Sean Hilton
(27 Sep 2017 20:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(27 Sep 2017 21:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Edward Swatschek
(28 Sep 2017 00:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(28 Sep 2017 02:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
shadow@xxxxxx
(29 Sep 2017 13:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(27 Sep 2017 03:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Richard Aiken
(27 Sep 2017 05:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Richard Aiken
(27 Sep 2017 05:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Thomas Jones-Low
(27 Sep 2017 05:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world. Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Sep 2017 20:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(28 Sep 2017 01:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(27 Sep 2017 19:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(27 Sep 2017 19:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Grimmund
(28 Sep 2017 17:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(28 Sep 2017 17:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(28 Sep 2017 21:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(28 Sep 2017 22:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(28 Sep 2017 22:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(29 Sep 2017 02:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Kelly St. Clair
(29 Sep 2017 02:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(29 Sep 2017 20:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Grimmund
(29 Sep 2017 15:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Christopher Sean Hilton
(29 Sep 2017 18:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Grimmund
(29 Sep 2017 23:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Phil Pugliese
(29 Sep 2017 23:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(30 Sep 2017 00:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(30 Sep 2017 21:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(30 Sep 2017 23:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(01 Oct 2017 02:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(01 Oct 2017 03:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(03 Oct 2017 12:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(04 Oct 2017 02:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Richard Aiken
(09 Oct 2017 10:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Phil Pugliese
(09 Oct 2017 12:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(09 Oct 2017 16:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Kelly St. Clair
(09 Oct 2017 18:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(09 Oct 2017 21:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(09 Oct 2017 22:09 UTC)
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Re: 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Christopher Sean Hilton
(28 Sep 2017 14:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(05 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(05 Oct 2017 05:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(05 Oct 2017 05:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Edward Swatschek
(05 Oct 2017 08:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(05 Oct 2017 14:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(05 Oct 2017 23:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(06 Oct 2017 00:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(06 Oct 2017 05:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(05 Oct 2017 06:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Rupert Boleyn
(05 Oct 2017 05:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Phil Pugliese
(06 Oct 2017 09:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Evyn MacDude
(07 Oct 2017 04:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
shadow@xxxxxx
(08 Oct 2017 20:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Tim
(09 Oct 2017 01:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Edward Swatschek
(09 Oct 2017 22:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(09 Oct 2017 22:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(10 Oct 2017 03:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
shadow@xxxxxx
(14 Oct 2017 09:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Phil Pugliese
(14 Oct 2017 17:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Colin paddock
(16 Oct 2017 06:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
C. Berry
(16 Oct 2017 16:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
shadow@xxxxxx
(17 Oct 2017 11:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] 1G ship vs Size 8 world.
Thomas Jones-Low
(17 Oct 2017 11:59 UTC)
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 05:51:27AM +0000, Thomas Jones-Low wrote: > On 9/27/2017 1:41 AM, Richard Aiken wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Richard Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I know that the force of gravity drops with distance from the center of > > > mass. If a 1-G streamlined ship aerodynamically flies up to maximum > > > altitude (e.g. as high as winged lift can take it), would the force of > > > gravity become low enough for it to boost into orbit from there? > > > > > > IIRC, gravity at R_earth + 250km is about 9.4 m/s^2 but that's me looking at the output of computer program who's primary purpose isn't to measure that at all. > > > > Google tells me that most military aircraft have service ceilings in excess > > of 50,000 feet. > > It also tells me that a mass of 150 pounds actually weighs ~149.92 pounds > > at 10,000 feet elevation. > > So . . . maybe the ship can just barely make it? > > I'm fairly certain that the reduction in gravity isn't a factor that low. Even wih those numbers you are looking at a 0.06% reduction. > An aircraft with much less that 1G of thrust can get to 50,000 feet. But > the problem isn't height, it's velocity. At lower altitudes the air > resistance will prevent the ship from getting enough velocity. At higher > altitudes there may not be enough air to provide more lift. Oxygen for the > engines isn't a problem for a space ship. > > I think the answer is yes, but for a different reason. Also, aircraft attain altitude mainly from the lift that their wings generate. Fighter aircraft can generally tailstand but even an F-15 couldn't tailstand from surface to the Karman line. This does bring up another possiblity though. On a size 8 planet, there could be a ferry service that took you above the thick part of the atmosphere and to a pretty high velocity via either grav, or aero and then released you such that you could get to orbit. Sounds like it comes with a bigger risk thank a Vilani would take though. -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)____.___o____..___..o...________ooO..._____________________ Christopher Sean Hilton [chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com]