Re: Patton's sword & belaying pin, was Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass? Phil Pugliese (01 May 2017 22:22 UTC)
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Re: Patton's sword & belaying pin, was Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass?
Postmark
(02 May 2017 06:44 UTC)
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Re: Patton's sword & belaying pin, was Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass?
Jeffrey Schwartz
(02 May 2017 14:23 UTC)
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Re: Patton's sword & belaying pin, was Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass?
Bruce Johnson
(02 May 2017 16:09 UTC)
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Once I saw the pic it jogged my memory. (THANKS, Fred!) Don't remember the part about it being for 'thrusting' though but it does appear that it would be good for that. Only thing is; I can't help but wonder what technique would be used when engaging an enemy who is on foot while the trooper was mounted? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/1/17, Bruce Johnson <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote: Subject: Re: Patton's sword & belaying pin, was Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass? To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> Date: Monday, May 1, 2017, 2:54 PM > On May 1, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Fred Kiesche <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, it appears that my attempt at showing history with a picture dud not work, so here's my text: Got stuck in the approval queue. Here’s an article about the relevant sabre. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_1913_Cavalry_Saber> > > "My mother has my (paternal) grandfather's US Cav sword, which we can see him holding (from the front) in a 1918 picture of his unit. It is curved, not straight. I'll try embedding the image below (not sure if the list will accept that?) (He is fourth from the left)." > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 15:36 Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote: > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 5/1/17, Bruce Johnson <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [TML] What if the cutlass is not a cutlass? > To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> > Date: Monday, May 1, 2017, 9:50 AM > > [Lot's of good stuff snipped] > > Swords designed to be used > from horseback, for example, tend to all look alike: curved > blades designed for slashing in an arc without the tip > hanging up to dislodge the rider, long enough to reach a > foot soldier alongside a horse, short enough to be easy to > wield from the saddle one handed. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I recall reading somewhere that Patton, while still a jr officer & after he competed in the Olympics, managed to get himself assigned to the project to design a new cavalry sword for the US Army. I also recall it was before WWI. > Anyway, I remember the new sword was described as "a straight sword intended for chopping instead of slashing"<sic> which surprised me as I was accustomed to the sort of saber seen on most old westerns. Now that I'm thinking about it, I also recall reading an article about the army that Gustavus Adolphus brought into the Thirty-Years War. As I remember his cavalry was distinguished by using a straight 'chopping' sword. > > ------------------------- > [More snipping] > -------------------------- > > Famously the cutlass was > designed to be used by inexperienced sailors in close > quarters; in truth, hatchets and short axes were used almost > as frequently, as those were very common tools aboard a > wooden ship (thus multiple use devices), and are as easy to > wield (probably easier, since they get used a lot, so > there’s muscle memory.) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Heck even the good ol' belaying pin would come in handy during a boarding melee" > As my (retired vet) Dad used to say; > "hit'em on top of his head so hard he'll have three tongues in his shoes!" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > There isn’t ‘one true sword design’. > > Frankly the imperial > 'cutlass’ probably looks as much like this <http://www.leevalley.com/us/garden/page.aspx?p=65248&cat=2,45794> as anything else. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hey! You've just discovered the KTLSS (commonly referred to as a 'cutlass'). > The standard boarding weapon of the Imperial Marines. > > ===================================================================== > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com > To unsubscribe from this list please go to > http://archives.simplelists.com > -- > F.P. Kiesche III > > Husband, Father, Good Cook. Reader. Keeper of abandoned dogs. Catholic Liberal Conservative Militarist. Does not fit into a neat box or category. "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at Bernal Alpha. 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