Re: I need a term...
Jonathan Clark
(16 Apr 2017 00:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: I need a term... Jeff Zeitlin (16 Apr 2017 03:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: I need a term...
Timothy Collinson
(16 Apr 2017 18:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: I need a term...
Rob Davenport
(17 Apr 2017 15:05 UTC)
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 20:02:33 -0400, Jonathan Clark <xxxxxx@att.net> wrote: [Quoting me] >> .. for a person who is in the below described relationship with a >> scion of a noble or wealthy-and-socially-prominent line: >I suggest that this would be a prestigious position, possibly associated with >mental conditioning (cf the Suk School in Dune). After all, they are basically >training the next generation of leaders. You probably don't want J Random Loony >in such a position... Oh, this is definitely a position that carries prestige among those "in the know", and it was openly prestigious in the Jao Empire stories that I'm trying to borrow the idea from - pretty much only the /nai camiti/ of a high-ranked and wealthy /kochan/ would have a /fraghta/ assigned to them, and while the /fraghta/ was mostly unobtrusive and not generally noticed as a "who", the fact that the /fraghta/ _was_, and was assigned to a (Jao) person never went unnoticed - and signalled to all Jao just how valuable the /fraghta/'s "principal" was viewed. I'm going to take this opportunity to discuss - briefly - the problems I see with many other suggestions. In general, the suggestions tended to have meanings or associations that were too specific in some way: Sensei - In general, a 'sensei' is perceived as a trainer in what are commonly called "martial arts", and specifically the "oriental" subset: judo, karate, aikido, jiu-jitsu, and the like. The general advisor role, and the facilitator role, are definitely well outside the normal perception attached to the word 'sensei'. Swordmaster - Without having encountered this term previously, a quick google argues against this as being appropriate for the role as described, for essentially the same reasons as 'sensei' - the focus is on the combat training, and this is _not_ what the Jao /fraghta/'s principal role is, though they may take it on early in the Jao "principal's" life. Mentor - probably the best suggestion so far, but doesn't "feel" right; the public part of the relationship has the /fraghta/ being "part of the 'principal's' staff", or maybe 'chief of staff', and I just don't see a "mentor" being in that role - the opposite would be more likely, I would think - that is, the 'principal' is the mentor's chief of staff as his last "relationship" before they separate and the 'principal' goes on his own. "Jeeves", Valet, "Gentleman's Gentleman" - Different ways, more or less, of saying the same thing. Almost works, conceptually, except that the /fraghta/ isn't really a personal servant the way these terms imply. Batman - No, not Bruce Wayne. Alfred might be closer. But the problems here are first the advisory role, which, while it might exist, is strongly downplayed in the general perception of the role, and second, the personal servant part of the 'batman' definition. That said, there _is_ a military relationship that just might possibly be a good match: There's no defined term for it that I'm aware of, but the crusty old career sergeant really does more-or-less act as /fraghta/ to the wet-behind-the-ears butterbar whose commission is still so new it squeaks. Sifu - Better than 'Sensei', but still tends to carry implications of specialization and/or of martial arts. Similarly, 'guru', with the special focus being spiritual philosophy. Squire - Almost the exact opposite of the desired relationship. The squire is there to be advised and taught by the principal, and is generally younger and less experienced than the principal. Pedagogue, Tutor, Proctor, Didact - Perception here would be too focussed on 'book learning', not on learning-by- experience with the /fraghta/ mostly in the background. There's also the evolving role of the /fraghta/, and none of these words really cover that. Consigliere - Another close one. May have problems because of the political overtones, but if it can be used for the 'chief of staff', as opposed to the Prime Minister, it might be the best suggestion yet, even though it misses the bodyguard and teacher roles. Honestly, the best word I have so far is /fraghta/, but there are Reasons that I will not use it at present. FWIW, whatever it's called, I think a whole lot of supposedly important people in our society could use one. But please, keep trying...