Re: Multi Jumping is no big deal since LBB5v1, was Re: Incredibly efficient! was Re: [TML] L-Hyd not necessary for jumping & misc....

Re: Multi Jumping is no big deal since LBB5v1, was Re: Incredibly efficient! was Re: [TML] L-Hyd not necessary for jumping & misc.... Phil Pugliese 20 May 2016 23:00 UTC

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I guess we have different definitions of the meaning of the term "did away with".
To me it means that if something was previously introduced it should be *explicitly* excluded.

As always YMMV.

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On Fri, 5/20/16, xxxxxx@comcast.net <xxxxxx@comcast.net> wrote:

Hello
Phil,

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Subject: Re: Multi Jumping is no big
deal since LBB5v1, was Re: Incredibly efficient! was Re:
[TML] L-Hyd not necessary for jumping & misc....

>Well, not
really, at least as far as the *effect* of a J-governor.
>Before the intro of the 'governor a
ship had to use the same amount of fuel no matter how far it
jumped & that >amount of fuel was dictated by
it's J-rating, ie: a J4 ship needed to use enough fuel
for a J4 no matter how far it >jumped.
>After the governor's intro, the ship
only used the amount of fuel required for a jump of that
distance, ie: a J4 ship >w/ enough fuel for J4 would only
use 1/4 for a J1, 1/2 for a J2, 3/4 for a J3, & all of
it for a J4.

>CT LBB5 HGv2 may not have mentioned
the items you detail but that doesn't mean to me that
they were "done >away with".

>It just means
that they weren't mentioned.
The issue is that had
your first purchase been CT LBB 5 HG2 1980 you would have no
knowledge of jump governors, missile magazines or
From 1980 onward first
time gamers, unless they had some players with copies of CT
LBB 5 HG 1979, would have no knowledge of jump governors.
With the release of CT LBB 2 1977/1981 the jump fuel usage
were changed to match CT LBB 5 HG2 1980.
Technically speaking the
published rules in 1980 and 1981 did away with jump
governors.

>p.s. Capacitors/accumulators *were*
still detailed in the section on Black Globes.
Yes, CT LBB 5 HG 1979 p.
28 mentions that the Black Globe "totally envelopes the
ship in an absorbent black sphere. All incoming energy is
diverted to capacitors, and does no damage." The
following information is also provided: "If a large
amount of energy is absorbed by the globe, the capacitors
might overload, dropping the barrier as well as doing
extensive damage to the ship."
CT LBB 5 HG2 1980 p. 31
provides, in my opinion, a bit more information about the
capacitors that the Black Globe diverts all incoming energy
to capacitors in the jump drive. The jump drive has 1.5% of
the ship's mass tons of capacitors installed and
additional jump drive capacitors can be purchased separately
for MCr4.0 for each one ton of capacitors.

Yes CT LBB 5 HG 1979 p.
32 mentions that a in order to use disposable L-Hyd tanks
the jump drive must have a "special high capacity
accumulator" installed. A drop tank's base cost is
Cr10,000 + Cr1,000 per ton of fuel capacity. The special
high capacity accumulator is available at TL 12 at a cost of
Cr500,000. Under these rules installing a single 50-ton
L-Hyd disposable fuel tank costs Cr10,000 + (50 x Cr1,000) =
Cr10,000 + Cr50,000 = Cr60,000. The special high capacity
accumulator tacks on another Cr500,000 increasing a
hull's cost by CR560,000.

CT LBB 5 HG2 1980 p. 23
does not mention the need for special high capacity
accumulator, a TL requirement, or a cost. The same installed
50-ton L-Hyd disposable fuel tank costs Cr10,000 + (50 x
Cr1,000) = Cr10,000 + Cr50,000 = Cr60,000.

In CT LBB 5 HG
1979 both capacitors and accumulators are mentioned. In CT
LBB 5 HG2 1980 the only mention is about capacitors
installed in the jump drive that the black globe diverted
energy to and the ability to purchase jump drive capacitors
in 1 ton lots with a price of MCr4.0.

Of
course there are probably references to accumulators in
materials I have no read after 1980 and nothing got changed
in the materials written prior to 1980.
Tom R

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Subject: Re: Multi Jumping is no big
deal since LBB5v1, was Re: Incredibly efficient! was Re:
[TML] L-Hyd not necessary for jumping & misc....
To: "TML"
<xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
Date:
Thursday, May 19, 2016, 8:27 PM
Evening
PDT Phil,
CT LBB 5 HG2 1980 did away
with the
jump governor, the
special high
capacity
accumulators required to use
drop tanks,
and missile
magazines.
Tom R
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Well, it's
really not that hard to explain;
"Well there's
another ship
that's equipped with a
jump governor so it doesn't
have to
use all it's fuel each jump & doesn't
therefore have to refuel each time it jumps.
Ain't it
something how popular those
gadgets have gotten since that
guy
'MM' invented them."
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On Thu, 5/19/16, Craig Berry
<xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Incredibly
efficient! was
Re: [TML] L-Hyd not
necessary for jumping & misc....
To:
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Date: Thursday, May
19, 2016, 4:02 PM
Yep. The
only thing
that's hard to explain about
the AN is
why
every Imperial ship in the
sector (and every commercial ship
that's heard about it) isn't
engaged
in an all-out
hunt for the thing. Magic
tech can sometimes be reverse
engineered,
after all,
and this magic might prove especially
valuable for whichever faction grabbed
it
first. Think about
it...an *entirely new
way
of Jumping*. Who knows; with some
tweaking you could perhaps get the
recharge
time from weeks
to hours or minutes. Or
perhaps there are parts of the tech
that
you could adapt to
make normal J-drives more efficient.
Seriously, the player characters
wouldn't
be able to
reach the Annic Nova through
the traffic jam of other ships
trying to
grab it.
I'm picturing a situation much like
that of the Streaker in Brin's
_Startide
Rising_.
On
Thu,
May 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Bruce
Johnson
<xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
wrote:
On May 19, 2016, at
2:14
PM,
xxxxxx@comcast.net wrote:
Hello Richard,
If one believes in that the hydrogen is
dumped
around the ship
to form a
bubble that somehow
is used to open jump
space then the Annic
Nova's
jump
drives have a huge
problem to overcome.
To paraphrase an
out-of-date cultural reference:
“Jump’s got 99 problems, but the
Annic
Nova ain't
one”
Dealing with a one-off artifact of an
extremely higher,
unattainable TL is
MUCH
easier than dealing with the many
consequences of the rules as stated.
The main issue here is the unintended
consequences of
the
rules. The AN is
painfully simple to
explain: it’s
Clarke’s Third Law
magic.
--
Bruce Johnson
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