On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:46:15 +0100, Andrew Long <xxxxxx@mac.com>
wrote:

>On 22 Apr 2016, at 01:32, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote:
>>
>> Dude, I'm using Yahoo's email client.
>> I just hit 'reply' & it goes from there...
>> If there's a problem there, please direct your inquiries to Yahoo...

>I got the impression from one of your posts earlier in the week that you
>get the TML in digest, and you were replying to (part of) a digest. Is
>this correct? If so, I'd imagine that the 'References:' headers may be
>stripped as part of the digesting.

If this is in fact the case, that'll do it every time. It's one of the
reasons that I stopped replying to digests years ago, and started taking
reflectors. I still have an address that receives digests, largely for
archival reasons, but I *never* reply to a digest, *because* it breaks
threading.

As far as Phil's dismissive suggestion to take up client problems with
Yahoo!... Yahoo has made it clear that if something outside their
ecosystem is broken by something that works within their ecosystem, the
"correct" response is to abandon the outside ecosystem, because "We can
do that, and won't have the breakage problem". This was most notorious
right after Yahoo! implemented DMARC as a "conclusive" measure of
spamhood, back when even the implementors said "it's not ready for that,
use it for advisory purposes and then validate before declaring spam",
and resulted in several lists reacting with a policy of "If you
subscribe from a Yahoo! address, you will not be able to post from that
address." This was because Yahoo!'s DMARC response was to send reject
messages to the "from" or "reply-to" address, not the "errors-to"
address when available - so their bounces were going to the list, which
was sending them out to the subscribers, which was causing Yahoo! to
bounce them back to the list address, which was sending them to ... you
get the picture.

Bluntly: Yahoo! is not a good net-citizen, and has made it clear that
they want the net to change, even though much of the net - including the
earliest incarnation of the TML, hosted at the School of Engineering of
the University of Western Ontario - actually pre-dates Yahoo!.

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