Re: me winding up in spam (was Re: [TML] Please stop breaking threads!)
Phil Pugliese 22 Apr 2016 14:48 UTC
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For some reason, & the 1st time in a looong time, this one did NOT wind up in my spam folder.
However, the previous one a few days ago did go into the spam folder.
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On Fri, 4/22/16, xxxxxx@shadowgard.com <xxxxxx@shadowgard.com> wrote:
Subject: me winding up in spam (was Re: [TML] Please stop breaking threads!)
To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
Date: Friday, April 22, 2016, 2:01 AM
On 22 Apr 2016 at 1:08,
John Geoffrey wrote:
>
Besides the threadbreaking by Phil I also noticed that
Leonard
> Erickson's (shadow's)
mails keep getting filtered by the gmail spam
> filter. I am not really sure why, I must
have whitelisted his email half
> a
dozen times already. But of course those break the threads
for me as well.
Whitelisting won't help.
What's happening is that
the TML's mailing list server is still
incompatible with the "new world"
forced upon us by DMARC/DKIM.
Any mail from a site that has DMARC enabled
(and thus generates a
DKIM entry in the
header) will either wind up in your spam directory,
or never be delivered at all.
Since my site had to go to
DMARC compliance because of the list I'm
hosting, mail mail has those.
It goes into "spam"
because the setting for my system is
"quarantine". For Yahoo it's
something else (delete?), which is why
the
TML had to add that kludge for Yahoo addresses.
To quit having my posts (and
likely others) wind up in spam (and
others
you aren't seeing geting bounced). The list has to
change to
having the list address as the
sender of *all* list forwarded stuff.,
not
just for yahoo users.
That's what I had to do with my list.
I'm running Mailman
2.1.16. Which as I understand is the minimum
version of Mailman to be able to get around the
DMARC/DKIM problem.
If I
was running 2.1.18 there are somewhat better ways to deal
with
it. Still a kludge.
But I had to get the guy
running my host to add a config line for
mailman, then stop and restart the list server.
Then and only then
could I access the
config settings required to make Mailman kludge
things properly (essentially what the list
currently does for yahoo
originated
messages, only without all the added text).
Anybody having to retrieve my
posts from your spam folder, please
send a
copy of the message INCLUDING FULL HEADERS to the
list-mom.
List-mom said
he'd look into it, but I haven't heard anything
back.
ps. DMARC/DKIM *does*
help with spam. Having it set up for my domain
not only dropped the amount of spam arriving
for my domain from
dozens of messages a
week per user to less than a dozen a month.
I also get notices of mail
being rejected by some system because it
*claims* to be from (non-existent) addresses in
my domain but doesn't
have the right
DMARC/DKIM signature in the headers.
Alas, I also get ones from AOL, gmail, yahoo
and other major players
indicating that
stuff gets rejected. But since they are summaries I
can't pin down the individual messages,
just that they aren't
rejecting posts
from *my* list anymore.
--
Leonard Erickson (aka
shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com
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