On 22 Apr 2016 at 1:08, John Geoffrey wrote:

> Besides the threadbreaking by Phil I also noticed that Leonard
> Erickson's (shadow's) mails keep getting filtered by the gmail spam
> filter. I am not really sure why, I must have whitelisted his email half
> a dozen times already. But of course those break the threads for me as well.

Whitelisting won't help.

What's happening is that the TML's mailing list server is still
incompatible with the "new world" forced upon us by DMARC/DKIM.

Any mail from a site that has DMARC enabled (and thus generates a
DKIM entry in the header) will either wind up in your spam directory,
or never be delivered at all.

Since my site had to go to DMARC compliance because of the list I'm
hosting, mail mail has those.

It goes into "spam" because the setting for my system is
"quarantine". For Yahoo it's something else (delete?), which is why
the TML had to add that kludge for Yahoo addresses.

To quit having my posts (and likely others) wind up in spam (and
others you aren't seeing geting bounced). The list has to change to
having the list address as the sender of *all* list forwarded stuff.,
not just for yahoo users.

That's what I had to do with my list.

I'm running Mailman 2.1.16. Which as I understand is the minimum
version of Mailman to be able to get around the DMARC/DKIM problem.

If I was running 2.1.18 there are somewhat better ways to deal with
it. Still a kludge.

But I had to get the guy running my host to add a config line for
mailman, then stop and restart the list server. Then and only then
could I access the config settings required to make Mailman kludge
things properly (essentially what the list currently does for yahoo
originated messages, only without all the added text).

Anybody having to retrieve my posts from your spam folder, please
send a copy of the message INCLUDING FULL HEADERS to the list-mom.

List-mom said he'd look into it, but I haven't heard anything back.

ps. DMARC/DKIM *does* help with spam. Having it set up for my domain
not only dropped the amount of spam arriving for my domain from
dozens of messages a week per user to less than a dozen a month.

I also get notices of mail being rejected by some system because it
*claims* to be from (non-existent) addresses in my domain but doesn't
have the right DMARC/DKIM signature in the headers.

Alas, I also get ones from AOL, gmail, yahoo and other major players
indicating that stuff gets rejected. But since they are summaries I
can't pin down the individual messages, just that they aren't
rejecting posts from *my* list anymore.

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Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com