Re: [TML] Instant city
babyduck1
(15 Feb 2016 12:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(16 Feb 2016 10:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Thomas Jones-Low
(16 Feb 2016 14:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(16 Feb 2016 19:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(16 Feb 2016 14:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(16 Feb 2016 23:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(16 Feb 2016 23:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(17 Feb 2016 14:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(17 Feb 2016 16:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 16:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(17 Feb 2016 17:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 17:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(17 Feb 2016 17:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(18 Feb 2016 14:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Tim
(19 Feb 2016 00:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 02:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(17 Feb 2016 17:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(17 Feb 2016 17:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 02:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city shadow@xxxxxx (21 Feb 2016 02:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 01:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(17 Feb 2016 01:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 04:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(17 Feb 2016 07:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 12:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(17 Feb 2016 14:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 15:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 02:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 01:47 UTC)
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On 17 Feb 2016 at 16:38, Bruce Johnson wrote: > Einsteins theory only holds for objects in *this* universe. > > Jump is a kind of `wormhole´ (technically an `Einstein-Rosen Bridge´ > ) that removes the ship from the space/time continuum where > Relativity holds sway. Not really. That's more of a "wormhole" situation, which has other unfortunate consequences. > > The ship isn´t moving faster than light, it´s taking a shortcut that > light cannot take. Any relatavistic effects of their speed of travel > would need an observer in J-space. > > The outside observer simply sees the ship vanish at one point in > space then re-appear 168 hours later in another point in space. Alas, the way relativity works is that it describes *relationships* between events in our spacetime. and those events are due to the *geometry* of said space-time. Since the event of "ship enters jump at X" and the event of "ship exits jump at Y" are both in *this* universe, relativity either controls them or is invalid. If relativity holds, then the relationship between those two events is "time-like" rather than "space-like". Which has really annoying consequences. This is because the first event happens sooner than light can cross the difference between X & Y. That means that in various frames of reference, the ship will exit jump *before* it enters jump. And those reference frames are just as vaild as the ones where exit occurs after entry. This is generally taken to be a bad thing. And it has nothing do with jumpspace, just the spacetime coordinates of the entry and exit points. It doesn't matter *how* you get from point X at time A to Point Y at time B. Just the spacetime coordinates involved. -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow) shadow at shadowgard dot com