Instant city
Knapp
(09 Feb 2016 16:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(09 Feb 2016 16:27 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 16:45 UTC)
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carlos.web@xxxxxx
(09 Feb 2016 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(09 Feb 2016 18:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(09 Feb 2016 19:15 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Instant city
Antony Farrell
(10 Feb 2016 03:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Nokes
(09 Feb 2016 17:44 UTC)
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Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 16:55 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 17:33 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 17:39 UTC)
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Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 18:13 UTC)
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Doug Grimes
(09 Feb 2016 19:19 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(09 Feb 2016 19:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(09 Feb 2016 21:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(11 Feb 2016 06:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 07:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(11 Feb 2016 06:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Traveller
(11 Feb 2016 13:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 14:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 15:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 15:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 15:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 18:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 18:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 18:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 19:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 20:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 06:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Nokes
(11 Feb 2016 19:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 16:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 16:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 20:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 21:40 UTC)
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Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 21:16 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 22:46 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Kelly St. Clair
(12 Feb 2016 01:44 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(12 Feb 2016 05:01 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 17:41 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:01 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 06:36 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Ethan McKinney
(11 Feb 2016 22:58 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 06:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 21:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(12 Feb 2016 15:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 21:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 22:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 00:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 00:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 01:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 07:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 08:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 09:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 10:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(12 Feb 2016 10:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(12 Feb 2016 11:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 18:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 17:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 17:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 14:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 17:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 18:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 21:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(13 Feb 2016 01:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(14 Feb 2016 06:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(12 Feb 2016 21:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 21:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 22:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 02:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 21:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 22:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(13 Feb 2016 01:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(13 Feb 2016 02:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 02:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(13 Feb 2016 07:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 07:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(14 Feb 2016 06:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 07:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 19:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(15 Feb 2016 00:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(15 Feb 2016 03:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 03:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 04:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(15 Feb 2016 09:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 03:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 03:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 04:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 04:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 04:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 05:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(15 Feb 2016 11:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 07:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(12 Feb 2016 07:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 07:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 14:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 20:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 21:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 01:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 01:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 03:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 09:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 10:19 UTC)
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Re[2]: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 20:42 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:22 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:55 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Kelly St. Clair
(12 Feb 2016 17:36 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 18:19 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 19:15 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Andrew Long
(12 Feb 2016 22:42 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 01:19 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 21:11 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Jeffrey Schwartz
(15 Feb 2016 14:04 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(15 Feb 2016 17:15 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 21:07 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:56 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:17 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:17 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:37 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 07:18 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Greg Nokes
(16 Feb 2016 02:07 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(16 Feb 2016 23:11 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(16 Feb 2016 23:35 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(16 Feb 2016 23:59 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 00:06 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 00:39 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 00:51 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 03:25 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(17 Feb 2016 03:25 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 03:33 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 10:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 20:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 20:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 20:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 21:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city Tim (15 Feb 2016 01:03 UTC)
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Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Peter L. Berghold
(14 Feb 2016 20:55 UTC)
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Re: Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Knapp
(15 Feb 2016 11:35 UTC)
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Re: Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Peter L. Berghold
(15 Feb 2016 14:38 UTC)
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:45:04PM +0100, Knapp wrote: > Are there any engineers here that can say one way or the other what > would happen if you set a Tigress down lightly on the Earth, say > even in a small lake or other structure that might support it a > little bit? The overall structure should be perfectly fine. It is designed to support internal stresses from its manuevering thrusters up to 6g, and has decent enough agility that it must have a lot of lateral bracing as well. The mass of the armour is a decent fraction of the mass of the whole ship, so it must be very strongly braced just to remain intact under such maneuvers. One should expect at least a factor of 3 in design stress vs expected conditions, so it should be capable of supporting its own mass under something like 18 gee accelerations. However, the entire weight of the ship acting through a small portion of the area would probably be enough to crumple that area. The question is whether the ground would squish first - and a quick BotE check suggests that many surfaces would. Certainly most types of structures on the hull in the contact area would be crushed, and there may be some localized deformation and damage in the bottom percent or two of the ship's volume. Landing in an alluvial plain or other area with a fairly thick layer of relatively soft ground would probably result in the ship sinking a few metres -- until the contact area was sufficient to reduce the ground pressure. The contact area at that time would be on the order of 50 metres aross. Over subsequent years the ship would slowly subside further, probably up to about 20-30 metres unless prevented by reaching more solid rock. If the ship was in condition to do densitometry scans, it could probably find a suitable site to reduce damage while preventing too much subsidence. Landing on a hard rock surface (or a place with hard rock just a metre or two below the surface) would be a worse proposition. Unless the hull were *very* much stiffer than necessary for ordinary operation, the lower few metres would definitely crumple making the lowest few percent of the ship unusable, and with some deformations extending higher. Still, the vast majority of the ship would remain intact. - Tim