Instant city
Knapp
(09 Feb 2016 16:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(09 Feb 2016 16:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 16:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
carlos.web@xxxxxx
(09 Feb 2016 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(09 Feb 2016 18:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(09 Feb 2016 19:15 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Instant city
Antony Farrell
(10 Feb 2016 03:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Nokes
(09 Feb 2016 17:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 16:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 17:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Kelly St. Clair
(09 Feb 2016 17:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 18:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Doug Grimes
(09 Feb 2016 19:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(09 Feb 2016 19:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(09 Feb 2016 21:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Peter L. Berghold
(09 Feb 2016 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(11 Feb 2016 06:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(11 Feb 2016 06:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 07:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Traveller
(11 Feb 2016 13:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 14:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 15:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 15:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 15:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 18:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 18:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(11 Feb 2016 18:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 19:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 20:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 06:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Nokes
(11 Feb 2016 19:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 19:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(11 Feb 2016 18:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 21:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(11 Feb 2016 21:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(12 Feb 2016 15:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 16:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city Jeffrey Schwartz (11 Feb 2016 16:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 20:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(11 Feb 2016 20:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 21:40 UTC)
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Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 21:16 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(11 Feb 2016 22:46 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Kelly St. Clair
(12 Feb 2016 01:44 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(12 Feb 2016 05:01 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 17:41 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:01 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 06:36 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Ethan McKinney
(11 Feb 2016 22:58 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 06:40 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:22 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:55 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Kelly St. Clair
(12 Feb 2016 17:36 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 18:19 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 19:15 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Andrew Long
(12 Feb 2016 22:42 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 01:19 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:56 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:17 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:17 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:37 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 07:18 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Greg Nokes
(16 Feb 2016 02:07 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(16 Feb 2016 23:11 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(16 Feb 2016 23:35 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(16 Feb 2016 23:59 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 00:06 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 00:39 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Craig Berry
(17 Feb 2016 00:51 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 03:25 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(17 Feb 2016 03:25 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(17 Feb 2016 03:33 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 21:11 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Jeffrey Schwartz
(15 Feb 2016 14:04 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Richard Aiken
(15 Feb 2016 17:15 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
rupert.boleyn@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 21:07 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: Jump Fuel (was Re: [TML] Instant city)
shadow@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(11 Feb 2016 22:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 00:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 00:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 01:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 07:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 08:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 09:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 10:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(12 Feb 2016 10:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(12 Feb 2016 11:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 18:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 17:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 17:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 14:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 17:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 18:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 21:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(13 Feb 2016 01:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(14 Feb 2016 06:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 20:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 20:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Grimmund
(12 Feb 2016 21:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 21:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 22:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 02:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 21:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 22:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(13 Feb 2016 01:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 01:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(13 Feb 2016 02:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 02:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(13 Feb 2016 02:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 03:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(13 Feb 2016 07:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 07:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(13 Feb 2016 03:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 06:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(14 Feb 2016 06:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(14 Feb 2016 07:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 19:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(15 Feb 2016 00:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(15 Feb 2016 03:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 03:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 04:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
William Ewing
(15 Feb 2016 09:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 03:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 03:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 04:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 04:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(15 Feb 2016 04:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(15 Feb 2016 05:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(15 Feb 2016 11:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
shadow@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2016 22:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Jeffrey Schwartz
(12 Feb 2016 15:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
tmr0195@xxxxxx
(12 Feb 2016 15:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 07:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(12 Feb 2016 07:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 07:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Craig Berry
(12 Feb 2016 14:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Bruce Johnson
(12 Feb 2016 20:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 21:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 01:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Richard Aiken
(13 Feb 2016 01:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 03:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 09:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(12 Feb 2016 10:19 UTC)
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Re[2]: [TML] Instant city
Timothy Collinson
(12 Feb 2016 20:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(13 Feb 2016 10:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 20:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 20:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Knapp
(14 Feb 2016 20:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Greg Chalik
(14 Feb 2016 21:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Instant city
Tim
(15 Feb 2016 01:03 UTC)
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Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Peter L. Berghold
(14 Feb 2016 20:55 UTC)
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Re: Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Knapp
(15 Feb 2016 11:35 UTC)
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Re: Modelling Traveller Ships in Blender. (Was Re: [TML] Instant city)
Peter L. Berghold
(15 Feb 2016 14:38 UTC)
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Jump Caps are separate from the power plant caps. Heck, the Jump Drive is supposed to have it's own built in fast-burn reactor. On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:15 AM, <xxxxxx@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello Jeffery Schwartz, > IIRC the capacitors in the Jump Drive are the major reason for the huge > power plant output, followed by the onboard weapons starting with the spinal > mount, beam lasers, fusion guns, particle accelerator turrets, nuclear > dampers, meson screens. > > I may have missed or more likely over-looked the Traveller sources > mentioning the fusion reactor powering a battery/capacitor system. My > experience on how submarines generate power is how I image a Traveller space > going vessel to operate. The reactor heats up water into steam which is > directed through a turbine that converts the steam into electrical power > which is distributed through a power grid with all the components that > allows the power output to be used by the lights, ventilation, other > environmental systems, and the systems that need electricity to operate. The > back-up systems for the reactor are batteries and a diesel generator. > > I like the alternate possibilities suggested here. > > Tom R > > ________________________________ > From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <xxxxxx@gmail.com> > To: "TML" <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:02:53 AM > Subject: Re: [TML] Instant city > > Did some quick checking.... > Tigress has 40k EP of power in normal operations. > I think 1 EP is about 250Mw? > I read that as the better part of 10 terrawatts for the power plant? > > Earth as a whole ate about 19Tw of electric in 2012. > > Most "detail oriented" Traveller stuff has the fusion plants charging > some kind of battery/capacitor system, which is used to even out > distribution needs to the ship systems. > > If you presumed the fusion reactors were running up until the landing, > and then shut down, you'd have something like 400Tj of juice in the > caps. (40Tw x 1000 second space combat turn) > > If all you're powering is lights, basic environment, and enhanced > environment, I suspect that would last a long, long time. > > https://www.eia.gov/consumption/commercial/data/archive/cbecs/cbecs2003/detailed_tables_2003/2003set10/2003html/c14.html > implies that very large buildings use about 17 Mw of power. Figure > TL14+ has more efficient lighting and such, but also is running sewage > processing that our buildings don't do. > > 400Tj divided by 17Mw comes out to about 18 years before the batteries go > dead. > > If the ship's computer put the fusion plant into "hibernation" and > only fired it for a 10 minutes or so every year, I think it might last > a very long time. Maybe a 1 minute run each month. > > That also leaves out the many-many subcraft. I'd imagine one could > pull the power plant from one of those, and use it to come up with the > measly 17Mw needed for housekeeping. > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com > To unsubscribe from this list please goto > http://archives.simplelists.com > > ----- > The Traveller Mailing List > Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml > Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com > To unsubscribe from this list please goto > http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=vSy3NFQJMSbZKrzPfC3XucFBsUCMtKrI