Rusting in space
Knapp
(01 Jan 2016 23:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Kelly St. Clair
(01 Jan 2016 23:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(01 Jan 2016 23:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 04:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 04:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 05:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 09:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 09:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 11:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 22:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(03 Jan 2016 01:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 11:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 22:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Knapp
(02 Jan 2016 09:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Neil Mahoney
(02 Jan 2016 09:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 09:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Neil Mahoney
(02 Jan 2016 10:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 22:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Neil Mahoney
(02 Jan 2016 22:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(03 Jan 2016 01:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Bruce Johnson
(03 Jan 2016 20:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(03 Jan 2016 21:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Bill Rutherford
(02 Jan 2016 16:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Bruce Johnson
(02 Jan 2016 23:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Bill Rutherford
(02 Jan 2016 01:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Richard Aiken
(02 Jan 2016 02:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Tim
(02 Jan 2016 03:08 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Rusting in space
Antony Farrell
(02 Jan 2016 04:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space
Greg Chalik
(02 Jan 2016 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Rusting in space Tim (02 Jan 2016 02:43 UTC)
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On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 12:15:00AM +0100, Knapp wrote: > What sort of corrosion would you have in space? > Would a sheet of iron rust in a near earth orbit? Yes, eventually. In near Earth orbits, there are traces of oxygen in the form of highly reactive individual atoms instead of the usual bound molecular pairs. The concentrations are extremely low, but an orbiting object sweeps through a huge volume over the course of a few years. The relative speeds also contribute plenty of energy to the reactions that occur. > If so how long would it take compared to at ocean level on the > earth? That's sort of a "how long is a piece of string" question, because it depends greatly on lots of variables that can each change the results by large factors. The single most important factor would be the height of the orbit, with solar activity the second most important. The density of the oxygen drops by a factor of about 100,000 from around 200 km altitude up to 1000 km. Solar activity affects lower altitudes by up to about a factor of 2, and high altitudes by a factor of about 100 either way. For real satellites, not very much corrosion can occur before the drag drops the orbit into the atmosphere. Enough to cause problems, but nothing like the bulk corrosion you see in metals on the surface. Traveller satellites could actively keep station essentially forever though. They could orbit low enough to encounter a significant mass of atomic oxygen in only a few weeks, using thrusters to maintain speed where a more realistic satellite would quickly run out of reaction mass and be dragged down into the bulk of the atmosphere. In that sort of scenario, you would want a hull material capable of withstanding such a sustained chemical attack. You would not want to use iron. - Tim