Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Sep 2015 04:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Thomas Jones-Low
(25 Sep 2015 04:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Greg Nokes
(25 Sep 2015 04:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Sep 2015 23:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Sep 2015 23:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Edward Swatschek
(26 Sep 2015 00:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
shadow@xxxxxx
(29 Sep 2015 18:55 UTC)
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Re: Watching A Planet
Rob O'Connor
(26 Sep 2015 08:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Grimmund
(28 Sep 2015 13:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(29 Sep 2015 00:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Craig Berry
(29 Sep 2015 03:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Greg Chalik
(29 Sep 2015 04:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Jeffrey Schwartz
(29 Sep 2015 14:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Bruce Johnson
(29 Sep 2015 14:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Craig Berry
(29 Sep 2015 15:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(29 Sep 2015 00:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Bruce Johnson
(29 Sep 2015 16:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Jeffrey Schwartz
(29 Sep 2015 16:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Kelly St. Clair
(29 Sep 2015 16:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Greg Nokes
(29 Sep 2015 18:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet Rob O'Connor (30 Sep 2015 09:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Re: Watching A Planet
Craig Berry
(28 Sep 2015 03:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Bruce Johnson
(28 Sep 2015 04:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Kurt Feltenberger
(29 Sep 2015 00:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Rob O'Connor
(29 Sep 2015 06:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
Grimmund
(29 Sep 2015 13:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Watching A Planet
shadow@xxxxxx
(29 Sep 2015 18:55 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger wrote: > Mostly traffic to and from the world, though the sensors > would have the resolution to discern large structures on the surface. If the idea is to watch ships go to and fro, they will be able to see surface features to a reasonable resolution. Hubble (2.4m diameter aperture) has angular resolution of 0.1 arcseconds, which is 1m at ~20,600km in near infrared wavelengths. Half this, 50 milliarcsec, is achievable by 10m telescopes with adaptive optics (e.g. the Keck). So 1m at ~41,000km with visible wavelengths. 1 milliarcsec resolution implies a 100m diameter aperture using visible light. So 1m at ~2.06 million km. To get to Greg Nokes': > A light hour or three out and you should be able to count > the gnats that are around the cook stove. 1 light hour is 1.08x10e9 km, or 7.2AU. Counting gnats (~1mm resolution for earthly versions) around the stove from this range implies a very, very large aperture even with grav focusing. Or very, very large gnats. Kurt again: > The goal is to watch the entire planet, thus one ship at a standoff > distance and that's pretty much "stationary" with regards to the > planet's revolving on its axis. What's stopping the bad guys from 'hiding behind the planet' in this situation? Look up Lissajous orbits; you could use unpowered sensor drones to get full planetary surveillance while the mother ship orbits a Lagrange point. and Kurt again: > For this scenario, the ship is adequately stealthy > and the technology is up to the task assigned. We've been trying to work out what the latter task is. So pardon our uncertainty about what "adequate stealth" means in this context. Using FFS1 and 2: At TL 13, a 100 displacement ton drone with a 100m diameter passive EMS and 1 level of electromagnetic masking has the following capabilities: Sensitivity 14.5: 100 displacement ton sphere detection range 160 million km, resolution 0.2m at 50,000km. Visible/reflected Signature: -0.5 for area (1000m^2), -0.5 for masking = -1 IR Signature: -1 when not manoeuvring (6MW), -0.5 manoeuvring (36MW), -1 for masking = -2/-1.5 This vessel is not detectable by active sensors at orbital (5000+km) ranges. There's a small chance of detection with passive sensors (sensitivity - range band >1) at whatever range. Rob O'Connor