On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 07:50:43AM -0700, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote: > So what happens to all the 'excess' males born in the 'center' (too > far from the frontier)? I was never even sold on the idea of a species having a single static culture across even a dozen parsecs and a hundred years, let alone thousands of both. With even slightly different cultural assumptions, there wouldn't be any such thing as excess males. If you peek into the cracks in the assumptions too much, it might all fall apart. But then, I guess the premise of the whole question was "what if the Aslan worlds never depart from the stereotype shown in published material and just keep sending ihatei colony fleets spinward forever", so I guess I'll stick with it anyway. It seemed to me from published material that ihatei mostly go into military service, and only a tiny minority are involved in invasion or colony fleets. If it weren't, then the number of such ships would be enormously larger than published material indicates. So in such core worlds, I would expect the already small minority to just go to approximately zero. > Wait, maybe they are packed into fleets of 'cold sleeper' vessels w/ > 'cargos' of males in low berths? And when the finally get close > enough to the frontier, the survivors form a typical iHatie fleet? That's possible, but seems rather extreme and expensive compared with other possibilities -- such as putting them in military forces rather than low berths for decades, and getting some local benefit in the event of conflicts with other clans. It always seemed to me that the aggressive colonization was more a decision by some nearby commander taking an opportunity than any centralized effort to distribute population. One thing I didn't factor into previous thinking was that a lack of existing civilization on frontier worlds could actually act as a deterrent rather than a lure. Having to build everything from dirt may not be as attractive as just displacing a few barely armed non-Aslan settlers and using what they already built. - Tim