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Greg, It is you who have assumed the title of 'know-it-all' thru the various behaviors that you've been demonstrating. You can't seem to grasp that you have to convince/cajole/whatever-it-takes those who have the power to 'make or break' your scheme & that treating them like idiots & fools will never, ever accomplish that. Just 'cuz you've busted your butt for X# of years to come up w/ '40 pages' means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You aren't the 1st one & you won't be the last to make that claim. How long do you think those colonels would last if they even seriously considered (much less accepted &/or promoted) every, or even *any* '40 page proposal' submitted by any trash-talking smart-aleck that happens along? They &, I imagine, a lot of us here on the TML, have seen this all before & maybe even many times before. Face it, at least 99% of the time that grandiose claims such as yours are made, those claims turn out bogus. And that's why they're is just 'tuning' you out. If your proposal actually does aim to fundamentally change (ie; 'turn topsy-turvey') the entire military establishment in the USA then you must really 'be on something' if you think *anyone* in *any* position of authority is going to even give the time of day to such a proposal from an unknown 'nobody'! You've guaranteed yourself a losing outcome right from the get-go & waiting for a new 'cycle' of colonels emerge isn't going to change anything. They'll going to behave in an identical manner 'cuz it would be irrational to do otherwise. No matter how 'rational' it might seem to you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6/22/15, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [TML]Question To: "tml@simplelists.com" <tml@simplelists.com> Date: Monday, June 22, 2015, 5:40 PM Phil, It is you that affixed the label of 'know-it-all' to me. My actual expertise is in very narrow fields of knowledge gained over 36 and 17 years respectively. That I rarely until now participate in most of the list discussions suggest the contrary; I am here to mostly learn, and therfore usually keep my mouth shut. I asked a friend (former journalist) about the accusation of arrogance, and he suggested that it is a good ad hominen way to end an inconvenient argument. It doesn't matter *what* my 'clients' think. In the first instance it matters IF they think at all :-) [Call me arrogant, I may as well live up yo your label] As it happens I am also the guy who has found the Ultimate Truth, which is a different discussion altogether. If I was the 'Gazillion' (is a non-existent word often used to mean an ridiculously or extremely large amount of something, or as an exaggeration) person to have made this claim, there would be NO SUCH PEOPLE. I don't own a high (16 hands) horse or even a Shetland pony, another assumption on your part. You know what they say about people who ass u me? Now see if you can guess whom I am talking about here "...from the back room in their Ohio repair and sales shop in May 1899 they wrote a letter to the Smithsonian Institution requesting information and publications about [the field of study]. Drawing on the work of Sir George Cayley, Chanute, Lilienthal, Leonardo da Vinci, and Langley, they began their mechanical experimentation that year." "Their approach to the solution thus differed sharply from more experienced practitioners of the day", and one problem that caused failure in experiments by authorities in the field was "a value which had been in use for over 100 years and was part of the accepted equation". "The [later] tests yielded a trove of valuable data never before known and showed that the poor [performance] of the initial vehicles was entirely due to an incorrect value." These people never graduated from high school, or had any formal engineering qualifications, or were ever employed as engineers. And, speaking of missiles (as happens often on this list) whom am I describing here, and what invention? "...despite a young Winston Churchill praising him for creating something that could “revolutionise the railway systems of the world”, [he] never found a buyer for the invention and spent almost all of his money developing it." Greg On 23 June 2015 at 09:40, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <nobody@simplelists.com> wrote: This email was sent from yahoo.com which does not allow forwarding of emails via email lists. Therefore the sender's email address (philpugliese@yahoo.com) has been replaced with a dummy one. The original message follows: Greg, I thought you were going to drop the 'know-it all' arrogance... Well, it's just more of the supremely arrogant, condescending drivel that is SOP, anyway. You will never get anywhere using this approach. The fact that you can't seem to learn from your obvious mistakes dos not augur well for your chances of acceptance. Get a clue; it doesn't matter how right *you* *think* you are or whether or not you think your behavior is appropriate. It only matter what the clients that you are soliciting think. You're only about the gazillionth guy who thinks he's found the 'Ultimate Truth(tm)' & been ignored so get off your high horse & get over it! -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6/22/15, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [TML]Question To: tml@simplelists.com Date: Monday, June 22, 2015, 2:53 PM Phil, I thought you weren't going to respond to anything I say. First off, I know I'm the only guy who had done the 'shovelling because there was no sign of 'digging' when I got there, and there still isn't anyone 'digging' next to me. The world of US Defence my be classified, but its deliverables are not invisible. Look up ACV 1.1 That is, there is no physical evidence to suggest anyone else has done ANY THING to rectify the $3.5 b oops moment. I didn't just 'do a study'. In your haste with ad hominens towards me you seem to have been hard of reading. Design is more than a study because it requires proof of concept. Don't ask. Its IP and classified. I wasn't talking to 'folks'. These people are paid to do a job. And I wasn't asking for a 'leap of faith' either. Proof of concept means substantial evidence is provided that the concept works. It just works very differently from how these 'folks' would like it to work. That is tough. Since providing reading advice seems to be in vogue, I would suggest you find a book on appropriate use of idioms. By the way, I have studied warfare for a lot longer than most colonels because 90% of military officer's life is following administrative procedure, not warfare. And even when deployed on active operations in theatre, its not all combat. Most colonels in the USMC have never fired on the enemy, and NONE have conducted an opposed amphibious landing. The two officers in question were a pilot and an artillery specialists. How much combined arms warfare understanding and translating into vehicle design did their miles provide? 0 They should have forwarded me to someone else, but instead they lied. I think I have an advantage over them because my thinking is not limited by many factors I would be happy to explain to you off list. Greg On 22/06/2015 11:37 PM, "Phil Pugliese (via tml list)" <nobody@simplelists.com> wrote: This email was sent from yahoo.com which does not allow forwarding of emails via email lists. Therefore the sender's email address (philpugliese@yahoo.com) has been replaced with a dummy one. The original message follows: -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/21/15, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [TML]Question To: "tml@simplelists.com" <tml@simplelists.com> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015, 7:41 PM Phil, <And it just may be that the aforesaid 'tude' is why no one at the USMC will listen? "OK, all you ignorant god-for-saken fools. I, the 'ONE&ONLY KEEPER OF THE TRUTH' have arrived & will now enlighten you! Rejoice, for now you won't have to act like brain-damaged retarded morons anymore. On top of that I have years & years of paper studies to back up the ultimate wisdom of my assertions!"< Thanks for that. I'll use it next time :-) Actually I mostly based my desings on the USMC and some US Army manuals. Because I was aware of the GFC in 2007 and the US DoD was not, I based my design in the first place on the perception that it needs to be affordable (after correspondence with a USAF colonel who wrote a book on the subject). There is virtually no advanced technology in my design. Most of the 'advanced' stuff is in the doctrine, or 'soft ware' if you wish. To criticise me as being arrogant, you first need to understand how the particular program that I started off performing analysis on came about and developed. You don't know this, and I would say that those who were in charge in 1996 didn't know either. Certainly the GDLS project staff didn't know. Even my USMC expert knowledge colonel (a marine tanker) had to pull the info out of the deeper recesses of his memory. I have done the 'shovelling', so I can be arrogant to say I have done the work. As for paper studies, where do you think DoD projects come from? Most at one stage all 'looked good on paper'. The USMC has been running Analysis of Alternatives studies for four years now, all 'paper studies'. You think the US Army operational wing colonels have an engineering workshop somewhere at Ft Benning they all run down to to weld up a prototype when they see fit? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which only means that you're just another guy who's done a 'study'. Naturally you will think that your baby is the 'cherry on top' but so does everyone else! Statements like " I have done the 'shovelling', so I can be arrogant to say I have done the work." is guaran-damn-teed to turn off whoever you're speaking to 'cuz it implies that if they weren't so stupid they'd be able to see how good your baby is already. HINT: insulting folks like that is NOT going to get you what you want. Look, you think you're the first 'know-it-all' guy to show up w/ a 'holy grail'? GET REAL, anyone w/ any kind of experience has already heard that claim many, many times & some have been 'burned' when the bought into it. You can't realistically expect anyone to take a leap of faith (drink the kool-aid) just on your say-so. And esp not when you take the position that everything that person has learned is WRONG(tm)! Besides that, they're just as likely to think that they're the one who's knowledge is superior, their beliefs are valid, & therefore treat you w/ the same amount of contempt that you display towards them. ==================================================================================== ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=EwREIRgLK8vaUEhNlnoNdSGKwnjoID8a