[TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Jim Vassilakos (29 Oct 2024 05:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2024 08:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2024 16:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Alex Goodwin (29 Oct 2024 13:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2024 16:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2024 22:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Oct 2024 22:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Phil Pugliese (30 Oct 2024 16:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Oct 2024 18:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Phil Pugliese (31 Oct 2024 06:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Alex Goodwin (30 Oct 2024 03:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Phil Pugliese (30 Oct 2024 01:18 UTC)

Re: [TML] Imperial Army vs Imperial Navy (two questions) Alex Goodwin 29 Oct 2024 13:29 UTC

On 29/10/24 15:48, Jim Vassilakos - jim.vassilakos at gmail.com (via tml
list) wrote:
> Question #1:
>
> In the single-player PBEM I'm running, the player came out with this
> little gem: "The Imperial Army was beholden to sector nobility for
> their keep, but the Navy was the will of the Emperor directly." Do you
> guys agree with this? I personally find it suspect, as it seems to me
> that both Army and Navy likely pledge loyalty to the Emperor, and both
> are likely financed in a similar way. So let me know what you think or
> how you handle the differences in your own campaign.
>
Big surprise, I'm going to mention GT: Ground Forces, which is how it
works in one of MTU (the other doesn't even _have_ a 3rd Imperium).

Unified Armies:

p 17, ibid: "The Imperial Army is more formally known as the Unified
Armies of the Imperium. ... Because the Imperium is so vast, and faced
with different threats on every border, day-to-day control of the Army
is given to the subsectors"

p 18, ibid: "One very important point often missed by the casual
observer is that the units under the marshal's command actually belong
to the subsector, not the Emperor.  While the troops owe allegiance to
His Majesty, the chain of command ends with the local nobility.  This
frees border areas to defend themselves without having to wait for
instructions from leaders that are over a year away.  It also provides
the peerage with a powerful tool balancing the Emperor's influence."

Imperial Marines

p 34, ibid: "The chain of command for the Marines comes directly from
the Emperor through the Admiralty.  Unlike the Army, Marines do not
answer to the local nobility under most circumstances. Units are often
loaned to local authorities for specific purposes."

By implication, the Imperial Navy, like the IM, has the Emperor at the
top of their chain of command, unlike the Unified Armies.

As such, there's no _one_ method of financing any given Unified Army. 
For example, UA Five Sisters (Iderati III being a technoeconomic
juggernaut ITTU) equips and trains its personnel to Imperial Marine
levels and maintains multiple field army _groups_, while UA Trin's Veil
maintains one lift infantry field army and one grav tank corps, equipped
and trained to significantly lower (GTL 10) levels.  UA Core (_not_ the
Imperial Guard, legally the Emperor's Own Huscarles) likely maintains
even less.

> Question #2:
>
> One thing I should add is that the local planetary sovereign (a
> Countess) is teaming up with the local Imperial Army general to try to
> persuade the local Imperial Navy admiral to agree to something he'd
> prefer not to do. In your campaign, how much independence would the
> local admiral be likely to exhibit in such a circumstance?
>
A fair amount would depend on the personalities, relationships and local
politics involved.  This assumes there's no order from the archduke, or
IN command at domain or sector level, to co-operate.

Is it the subsector admiral being leaned on, or a less-exalted
personage?  Are they a senior (admiral, fleet admiral) or junior
(commodore, rear admiral, vice admiral) flag officer?

If in the middle of all-out war, the local noble and general generally
get told to take a flying leap.  Don't they know there's a war on?

Similarly in times of elevated tension.

In outright _peace_time, it would be up to the individual admiral how
much they co-operate (since the orders are off _their_ bat, not the
locals), with the likelihood of such co-operation (ceteris paribus)
increasing with the distance from the nearest Imperial frontier.

Alex