[TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(26 Oct 2024 05:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
James Catchpole
(26 Oct 2024 08:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
James Catchpole
(26 Oct 2024 08:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(26 Oct 2024 10:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Jim Vassilakos
(26 Oct 2024 09:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(26 Oct 2024 10:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Charles McKnight
(26 Oct 2024 14:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Timothy Collinson
(26 Oct 2024 10:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(26 Oct 2024 18:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(26 Oct 2024 19:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Rupert Boleyn
(27 Oct 2024 05:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(27 Oct 2024 10:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I Rupert Boleyn (27 Oct 2024 14:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(27 Oct 2024 16:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(27 Oct 2024 21:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(27 Oct 2024 21:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(27 Oct 2024 16:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(27 Oct 2024 16:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(27 Oct 2024 21:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(27 Oct 2024 21:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Charles McKnight
(27 Oct 2024 21:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Oct 2024 06:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Oct 2024 06:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 15:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Jeff Zeitlin
(27 Oct 2024 21:47 UTC)
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Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
David Johnson
(27 Oct 2024 23:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 02:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Oct 2024 07:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
Charles McKnight
(28 Oct 2024 12:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
Richard Aiken
(28 Oct 2024 13:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
David Johnson
(28 Oct 2024 14:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 16:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Empire guarantees self-government, prohibits chattel slavery (was: Law in the 3I)
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 15:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(28 Oct 2024 07:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 15:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Law in the 3I
Phil Pugliese
(28 Oct 2024 15:38 UTC)
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On 27Oct2024 2324, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) wrote: > I'm a little puzzled wrt how anyone could possibly think that 'Laws' > will ever or have ever superseded 'Men'. > > If 'men' are involved in any sort of decision-making wrt legal matters > it will ALWAYS be "Men, not Laws". > > Just look at how the legal process works here on earth. > > Just look at all the instances where 'men' make a decision whether to > enforce, proceed, prosecute, etc, etc, etc. > > It happens all the time & each & every time, from the beat cop, for > whatever reason, overlooking infractions to prosecutors deciding whether > & how to proceed with cases & even to the decisions of juries. > (Note; after I served on a jury in a major case & witnessing numerous > violations of 'The Rules' wrt juror conduct, I proceeded, over the last > 40 years, to make inquires of anyone I encountered wrt what happened. In > each & every case, the respective juror admitted to misconduct &, to > varying degrees, was either dismissive or proud of their behavior. A > jury trial really is, as I've heard more than a few times, a crap shoot) > > 'Men' have always & will always be the final determining factor, not 'Laws'. > > Can't really be any surprise there. Of course, but there is a difference between having a law that says "Member worlds shall not use nuclear weapons, except when invaded by non-Imperial states" (for example) and a system of courts that, however imperfectly, attempt to interpret that law impartially and having a *custom* and 'understanding' that worlds shall not nuke each other that is enforced, or not, at the pleasure of local sub-sector ruler. No, the difference is not absolute, or binary, and is one of degree, but to say that there isn't a difference between how the Imperium imposes law (especially the 'laws of war') and how the Western world of today does, and a difference in the underlying theory, is incorrect. -- Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>