Finding transport David Shaw (06 May 2015 16:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (06 May 2015 17:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (06 May 2015 17:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Ethan McKinney (06 May 2015 17:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Thomas Jones-Low (06 May 2015 17:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Ethan McKinney (06 May 2015 18:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (06 May 2015 18:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Bruce Johnson (06 May 2015 20:22 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (06 May 2015 20:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport sjard (06 May 2015 20:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (06 May 2015 20:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Thomas Jones-Low (06 May 2015 21:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (06 May 2015 21:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Thomas Jones-Low (06 May 2015 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (06 May 2015 21:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Kelly St. Clair (06 May 2015 22:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (06 May 2015 22:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (15 Apr 2020 04:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (15 Apr 2020 04:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (15 Apr 2020 03:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport shadow@xxxxxx (16 Apr 2020 21:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Bruce Johnson (07 May 2015 14:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (07 May 2015 16:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 17:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (08 May 2015 00:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (08 May 2015 00:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (08 May 2015 01:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Bruce Johnson (08 May 2015 15:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (08 May 2015 16:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (09 May 2015 07:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (09 May 2015 10:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (15 Apr 2020 04:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (15 Apr 2020 23:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Kenneth Barns (16 Apr 2020 23:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Timothy Collinson (17 Apr 2020 14:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Kenneth Barns (18 Apr 2020 03:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Timothy Collinson (18 Apr 2020 04:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Bruce Johnson (18 Apr 2020 17:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Kenneth Barns (19 Apr 2020 02:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (21 Apr 2020 19:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (24 Apr 2020 07:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (24 Apr 2020 18:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport kaladorn@xxxxxx (15 Apr 2020 04:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (08 May 2015 16:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (06 May 2015 23:58 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Craig Berry (07 May 2015 00:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Richard Aiken (07 May 2015 07:07 UTC)
TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] Greg Nokes (07 May 2015 15:22 UTC)
Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] shadow@xxxxxx (07 May 2015 23:49 UTC)
Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] Phil Pugliese (08 May 2015 15:55 UTC)
Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] Richard Aiken (08 May 2015 00:04 UTC)
Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] Phil Pugliese (08 May 2015 15:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 15:39 UTC)

Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport] shadow@xxxxxx 07 May 2015 23:49 UTC

On 7 May 2015 at 8:22, Greg Nokes wrote:

> I like this a *lot* - it also goes a long way to explaining the
> cannon TL disparity. You´d end up with mooks on the TL5 rock having
> TL5 gear and the rich folks using AirRafts and lasers.
>
> My only issue is that TL5 rock with out a survivable  biosphere.
> Then, they cannot locally produce the food and essential gear that
> they need locally to survive - so all of the environmental suits, air
> scrubbers etc need to be shipped in. You can explain a few of those
> away using the "it´s a outpost" hand wave. Then trade need to be
> large cargo shipments of essentials arriving like clockwork. a few
> small traders might be able to keep up once the colony is
> established, but I have a gut feeling that the volume of trade is
> going to be large.

Actuually TL 5 can produce food easily enough. You just need sealed
"caves" or whatever and reprocess the air & sewage using plants. And
farm small animals.

It's doable at a lot lower TL than you'd think. And you only need air
scrubbers or vehicles and suits. Though those are quite low tech as
well (lithium hydroxide cartridges deal with humidity and CO2, and
activated charcoal deals with trace gases).

Both sorts of filters can be reactivated be simply heating them to
drive off the gases. Do that it sealed chambers that pump the
resulting stuff into the artifical wetlands that reprocess the air &
sewage and you are good to go.

Yeah, it takes so large amounts of biomass and water. On the other
hand, it's repairable and maintainable with *medieval* level tech,
maybe even Roman. Artifical light is the hard part unless you pipe in
sunlight.

Ships will be "strongly requested" to dump their honey tanks and
other "organic waste" storage when they visit. Ever bit of added
biomass will help give a reserve and expand the ecosystems that
support the population.

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Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
shadow at shadowgard dot com