Agreed!

And that's why  it makes no sense to say that a certain economic model *has* to be the 'one&only one' that will support the OTU.

Besides the fact that there are differences 'tween the morphs of the various Trav versions that inevitably produce different OTU's, there's the fact that we all must suspend disbelief for any OTU to exist anyway.

So, in the end, and as always, it's strictly a matter of personal preference.

Nothing *HAS* to be a certain way at all.
Things can be any way one wants them to be, although, admittedly, going to far will, eventually, result in an end result that is not Traveller(tm) anymore.

I believe that one can dispense w/ monster bulk haulers & still be Traveller(tm).

It's commonly called CT!

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On Wed, 5/6/15, Craig Berry <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Finding transport
 To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 5:07 PM

 Well, as
 soon as you start invoking the infinitely large supply of
 raw material, the game stops being Traveller pretty quickly.
 Nobody has any need to go anywhere, to ship anything
 anywhere, to invade anywhere. Almost everyone happily sits
 in their home system, mining moons and asteroids as needed.
 It ends up looking more like a typical transhuman setting.
 Traveller requires an economy of scarcity to look even
 vaguely like canon. And an economy of scarcity leads to
 trade, and trade leads to economies of scale.
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 PM, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>
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 On Wed, 5/6/15, Bruce Johnson <xxxxxx@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [TML] Finding transport

  To: "xxxxxx@simplelists.com"
 <xxxxxx@simplelists.com>

  Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 1:22 PM

  > On

  May 6, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Richard Aiken <xxxxxx@gmail.com>

  wrote:

  >

  > On Wed,

  May 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Ethan McKinney <xxxxxx@gmail.com>

  wrote:

  > The actual number of hulls going

  back and forth isn't going to increase at the same
 rate

  as the increase in passenger traffic because the size of
 the

  hulls is also going to increase with traffic volume.

  >

  >

  > Wouldn't there also be jump lag

  involved? E.g. it would take time for it to become
 known

  that Route X needed more passage space, while Route Y

  didn't need as much. 

  >

  Again, we’re running into

  the issue of is the OTU small trade or big trade.

  All of the trade rules in all

  the supplements are oriented towards PC scale ships;
 ie:

  free traders.

  If there’s

  a LOT of trade between systems in the OTU, then pretty
 much

  any passage you ant is available, presuming the systems
 in

  question are large enough to warrant the traffic. Akin
 to

  airline travel in the US today. The PC-scale stuff is

  equivalent small single aircraft bush pilots or
 charters,

  which is all well and fine, but I don’t hire a bush
 pilot

  to fly between NY and London.

  If not, travel on small PC-scale ships is all

  there is.

  (and I contend

  that the OTU simply could not exist with so little
 trade

  between systems).

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 Well charters are hired for travel  'tween NY &
 London (one advantage of charters are less intrusive/abusive
 security).

 Also, I don't think most of use would call 20,000dT 
 merchant ships 'PC-scale'.

 And I contend that that the OTU can & does exist quite
 nicely w/o 'monster' class bulk haulers.

 It just depends on which macro-economic formulae you choose
 to use.

 If you like humongous merchant ships then pick an econ
 system that requires them.

 If you don't then pick one that doesn't.

 After all, it's stll just 'make-believe', esp.
 considering that just about all planetary systems have an
 essentially infinite supply of  raw material.

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