Finding transport
David Shaw
(06 May 2015 16:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(06 May 2015 17:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(06 May 2015 17:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Ethan McKinney
(06 May 2015 17:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Thomas Jones-Low
(06 May 2015 17:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Ethan McKinney
(06 May 2015 18:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(06 May 2015 18:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(06 May 2015 20:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 20:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
sjard
(06 May 2015 20:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 20:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Thomas Jones-Low
(06 May 2015 21:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 21:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Thomas Jones-Low
(06 May 2015 21:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 21:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Kelly St. Clair
(06 May 2015 22:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(06 May 2015 22:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 03:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
shadow@xxxxxx
(16 Apr 2020 21:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport Phil Pugliese (07 May 2015 00:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(07 May 2015 14:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 16:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(07 May 2015 16:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 17:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 00:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(08 May 2015 00:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 01:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(08 May 2015 15:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 16:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(09 May 2015 07:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(09 May 2015 10:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(15 Apr 2020 23:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Kenneth Barns
(16 Apr 2020 23:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Timothy Collinson
(17 Apr 2020 14:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Kenneth Barns
(18 Apr 2020 03:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Timothy Collinson
(18 Apr 2020 04:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Bruce Johnson
(18 Apr 2020 17:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Kenneth Barns
(19 Apr 2020 02:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(21 Apr 2020 19:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(24 Apr 2020 07:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(24 Apr 2020 18:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(15 Apr 2020 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 16:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(06 May 2015 23:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Craig Berry
(07 May 2015 00:08 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 00:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Richard Aiken
(07 May 2015 07:07 UTC)
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TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Greg Nokes
(07 May 2015 15:22 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
shadow@xxxxxx
(07 May 2015 23:49 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 15:55 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Richard Aiken
(08 May 2015 00:04 UTC)
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Re: TL, Trade and You [WAS: Re: [TML] Finding transport]
Phil Pugliese
(08 May 2015 15:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Finding transport
Phil Pugliese
(07 May 2015 15:39 UTC)
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================================================================================================== This is the OTU depicted as a single planet. I contend that such an analogy, while having some validity, is simply too simplistic for large-scale wide-spread application to such a gigantic expanse as the OTU. But then, I do NOT like 'monster' merchant ships, obviously others do. Also, there's the old, old canon that the OTU represents the 'Age of Sail' & NOT the post-container cargo ship 20th century. (A point that I suspect DGP was NOT aware of) I recall reading am article about the big 'ships-of-the-line' back in the 18th century where it was stated that merchant ships were no where near that large. So, it all really comes down a case of personal preference. It was more than 20 years ago that I read a post here on the TML where the author compered the various morphs of the OTU as it progressed from CT to MT to TNE. He spent quite a bit of space detailing how much trade concepts changed. It's still just a matter of personal preference... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/6/15, sjard <sjard@emerytelcom.net> wrote: Subject: Re: [TML] Finding transport To: tml@simplelists.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 1:48 PM Also consider that here on earth today, almost every large passenger service overbooks. Airlines, cruise ships, buses, etc. Usually this doesn't cause problems because they overbook by the margin of no-shows. But sometimes everyone shows up, and then something has to be figured out. In Traveller, that's where I see the major passenger pool for Free Traders coming from. Those who don't want to wait too long to travel, but have been bumped due to overbooking. That, or people like me. If given the choice and time isn't an issue, I'll take the train (several days) instead of flying (couple of hours), simply because I like that mode of travel. On 5/6/2015 2:33 PM, Craig Berry wrote: I agree that "big trade" is the only reasonable model. The bush pilot or charter service analogy is spot on. Between major hubs, essentially all traffic goes on scheduled liners (akin to commercial jet traffic in the modern developed world). Out in the less populated "wilds", there might be occasional scheduled runs, but there's a lot more room for entrepreneurs to nab what little passenger traffic exists. And even between hubs, you'll occasionally find a passenger who simply can't wait a day for the Tukera liner; she needs to be in the ducal court at Mora in 7 days, not 8. And that sure sounds like an adventure seed right there. :) On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote: > On May 6, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Richard Aiken <raikenclw@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Ethan McKinney <ethan.mckinney@gmail.com> wrote: > The actual number of hulls going back and forth isn't going to increase at the same rate as the increase in passenger traffic because the size of the hulls is also going to increase with traffic volume. > > > Wouldn't there also be jump lag involved? E.g. it would take time for it to become known that Route X needed more passage space, while Route Y didn't need as much. > Again, we’re running into the issue of is the OTU small trade or big trade. All of the trade rules in all the supplements are oriented towards PC scale ships; ie: free traders. If there’s a LOT of trade between systems in the OTU, then pretty much any passage you ant is available, presuming the systems in question are large enough to warrant the traffic. Akin to airline travel in the US today. The PC-scale stuff is equivalent small single aircraft bush pilots or charters, which is all well and fine, but I don’t hire a bush pilot to fly between NY and London. If not, travel on small PC-scale ships is all there is. (and I contend that the OTU simply could not exist with so little trade between systems). -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com -- Craig Berry (http://google.com/+CraigBerry) "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." - William Blake ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://archives.simplelists.com This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=EwREIRgLK8vaUEhNlnoNdSGKwnjoID8a