The immediate Sub C suite is typically directors.  Could be VPs if the
organization is large and hierarchical enough.

In smaller companies, it could be a manager or a senior manager

On the gripping hand, I've been in tiny (less than 20 people) companies
that were top heavy title wise.  The "executive" staff was a third of
the company and were mostly individual contributors.

Those who had a staff, handed the day to day running to someone else.

So, bottom line here, you have a bit of flexibility.

Mark

On 5/9/2024 8:19 AM, Jeff Zeitlin - editor at freelancetraveller.com
(via tml list) wrote:
> For clarification:
>
> The Seneschal is viewed as essentially the noble's "right-hand man", the
> guy who handles the day-to-day running of the fief. He's not necessarily in
> command of any household troops, but he'd be able to call on them or order
> their deployment (under a militarily-skilled commander) if needed.
>
> The "C-suite" in US corporate parlance is the group of policy-making
> executives whose titles are often "Chief *** Officer" - CEO (Chief
> Executive Officer), CFO (Chief Financial Officer), CIO (Chief Information
> Officer), COO (Chief Operating Officer), etc.
>
> "Sub-C-Suite" Executives are the people who report directly to the C-Suite
> officers and who are in charge of implementing the policies that the
> C-Suite sets. (That is, the CIO's admin assistant is not a "sub-C-suite
> executive"; s/he doesn't implement policy, though s/he might be the one
> that collates and digests all the paperwork that the executives generate as
> part of their reporting to the C-suite-er.)
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2024 08:08:10 +0100, Timothy Collinson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 May 2024, 23:43 Jeff Zeitlin - editor at freelancetraveller.com
>> (via tml list), <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...for characters who are either...
>>>
>>> * Seneschal for a titled and enfeoffed noble
>>>
>>> * Sub-C-Suite Executives for a large corporation
>>>
>>
>> Ah, my favorite kind of question as I'm often doing this kind of thing.
>> Just the other day I wanted an antiques dealer...
>>
>> This is just the moment to pluck the three Spica career books off the shelf.
>>
>> For the "sub C suite" (not terminology I was familiar with but I assume
>> Google has set me straight) I would start with Corporate Citizen (Career
>> Book 1) which seems perfect, but if you wanted a tiny bit more high
>> powered, you could look at Politician in Book 2.  Or alternatively, look at
>> the Secretary track of the Assistant career in Book 3.
>>
>> For the seneschal I would want to know whether you saw them as more Combat
>> oriented (perhaps a la Barrayar in Bujold's Vorkosigan novels) or butler as
>> in Wodehouse's Jeeves.  Either way, the Assistant career might again suit
>> nicely with its three specialisations of Bodyguard, Secretary and Steward.
>> For the former, you could pick a military career of course.  For the
>> latter, if you wanted to be more outre, you could try Companion or Slave
>> (both also in Book 3).
>>
>> If you were to force me to stick to the Core Rulebook (as ever, I'm talking
>> Mongoose or my head will explode at all the options), I'd look at:
>>
>> Seneschal - bodyguard: Army: Infantry
>> Seneschal - valet: Merchant Marine (for lots of Steward skill [1])
>> (I'm quite tempted to offer Prisoner or Psion as interesting backstory or
>> present 'power' kind of options!)  (Indeed, you could probably make  case
>> for Jeeves having some kind of psionic ability).
>>
>> You could also consider a 'degraded' Noble: Administrator career, perhaps
>> replacing Leadership or Advocate etc with Steward or Admin.  I'm also
>> wondering if such a role should have good 'Persuade' skill even if it's
>> very subtle.
>>
>> You might also want to take a look at Book 8: Dilettante for some noble
>> options that again might just possibly suit.  It also has stuff on nobles
>> paying and maintaining servants.  (I should perhaps mention that my own
>> Second Scions' Society has all sorts of retainer options that might help
>> flesh out a role although not actual career paths for them).
>>
>> In Book 8: Agent there is Corporate: Bodyguard which might work nicely (or
>> how about the Duellist: Champion from Compendium 1?!) and, perhaps
>> obviously, Security: Bodyguard in Mercenary.
>>
>> Management: Governess in Alien Module 1: Aslan?
>>
>> Much further afield is Guard: Bodyguard in Netherall.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sub C Suite - Citizen: Corporate is the obvious option but depending on how
>> 'sub' they were or what precise skills you wanted, they might have come
> >from several of the careers before switching to Citizen.
>> Book 9: Robot has Worker: Citizen
>>
>> Further afield, there is a Citizen: Corporate in Alien Module 2: Vargr,
>> Worker: Bureaucratic in Alien Module 3: Darrians, Government: Administation
>> in Alien Module 4: Zhodani, Citizen: Bureaucrat in Outer Veil, Office
>> Worker in Starfarer's Gazette 1 and Civilian: Government (or Upper or
>> Middle) in Tinker, Tailor, Psion, Spy.
>>
>> FWIW, there's a Core Citizen: Corporate in 2300AD if you want a comparison.
>>
>> Don't forget, of course, that for fictional purposes, fish out of water
>> options may make for more interesting (or less stereotyped) possibilities,
>> so I'm not suggesting any of the above should be straitjackets.  Also,
>> consider some of the jobs I've done in my life: dental assistant, taxi
>> driver, environmental scientist , deckhand, messenger, shop supervisor, oh,
>> and I've been a librarian for a bit too...
>>
>> Don't know if that helps
>>
>> tc
>>
>>
>> [1] hmmm, not as much as I thought from memory.  You can get as much from
>> Citizen or Entertainer.  I could see the latter being a reasonable option
>> for a valet type as well.
>>
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