An adventure 'nugget'? Phil Pugliese (17 Jan 2023 18:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Evyn MacDude (17 Jan 2023 22:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Timothy Collinson (17 Jan 2023 22:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin (17 Jan 2023 22:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Greg Nokes (17 Jan 2023 23:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Ethan McKinney (18 Jan 2023 01:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Greg nokes (18 Jan 2023 01:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin (18 Jan 2023 02:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Greg Nokes (18 Jan 2023 03:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Rupert Boleyn (18 Jan 2023 07:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Greg Nokes (18 Jan 2023 17:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Evyn MacDude (21 Jan 2023 01:49 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin (18 Jan 2023 20:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Timothy Collinson (22 Jan 2023 13:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin (22 Jan 2023 14:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Timothy Collinson (22 Jan 2023 17:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin (22 Jan 2023 18:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Timothy Collinson (22 Jan 2023 18:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Greg Nokes (22 Jan 2023 20:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Phil Pugliese (23 Jan 2023 00:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Rupert Boleyn (23 Jan 2023 04:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Richard Aiken (13 Apr 2023 02:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? David Johnson (22 Jan 2023 15:34 UTC)
Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Timothy Collinson (22 Jan 2023 17:39 UTC)
Re: [EXT]Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Johnson, Bruce E - (bjohnson) (20 Jan 2023 23:47 UTC)
Re: [EXT]Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Tom Rux (21 Jan 2023 01:13 UTC)

Re: [TML] An adventure 'nugget'? Alex Goodwin 18 Jan 2023 02:07 UTC

Greg,

I'm a little confused where (presumably cyberpunk- or
postcyberpunk-style) netrunning has to come in, since I mentioned
contemporary networks in OTL.

I was thinking more of oldskool, unsexy, red teaming - finding
vulnerabilities in software and hardware, weaponising them into exploits
(or obtaining such from third parties), then delivering the exploits
where needed.

I'll take your words as indicating an ecosystem where defense is
dominant (as violently opposed to the offense domination we have in 2023
OTL), thus vastly mitigating the cyber vector as you implied.  What
would change the underlying economics to favour that?

Alex

On 18/1/23 11:39, Greg nokes - greg at nokes.name (via tml list) wrote:
> I did say naive, right? 🤣
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 17, 2023, at 5:37 PM, Ethan McKinney - ethan.mckinney at
>> gmail.com <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> "Hydrogen and stupidity are the two most abundant materials in the
>> universe." So long as you have systems, you will have people making
>> stupid security mistakes.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:00 PM Greg Nokes - greg at nokes.name
>> <http://nokes.name> (via tml list) <xxxxxx@simplelists.com> wrote:
>>
>>     As someone who has worked in tech for longer then I’d really like
>>     to admit, I have the naive view that in the next 5,000 years we
>>     will learn how to harden computers to a the point where things
>>     like a axe applied to one will become the most effective method
>>     of “hacking”.
>>
>>     IE, Yes hacking exists IMTU, but it’s all about physical access
>>     to systems and social engineering rather than cyberdeck based net
>>     running. ;D
>>
>>     I have other universes for that. :D
>>