some questions about Triton
Timothy Collinson
(24 Nov 2014 10:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton
Richard Aiken
(24 Nov 2014 11:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton
Timothy Collinson
(24 Nov 2014 18:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton Tim (24 Nov 2014 12:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton
Timothy Collinson
(24 Nov 2014 19:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton
Tim
(24 Nov 2014 23:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] some questions about Triton
Timothy Collinson
(26 Nov 2014 19:45 UTC)
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:07:04AM +0000, Timothy Collinson wrote: > Triton orbits in the equatorial plane of Neptune which made me think > that from the surface of Triton, Neptune would appear 'horizontal' > as usual. Am I missing something? It would depend upon where you're viewing from. Near one of Triton's poles, Neptune's equator (and weather bands) should appear horizontal: i.e. literally "aligned with the horizon" of that location. From many places around the equator they would appear vertical. From much of Triton's surface, Neptune would never be visible at all. > OK, so can I just double check that the only thing that would affect > where Neptune is in the sky is the location of your base? Yes; Triton's eccentricity is minuscule and so it doesn't even have the libration that our moon does. > Would anything of Neptune's rather paltry (I understand) rings be > visible from Triton? Yes, I'm pretty sure at least two of the rings/arcs should be visible. They all lie well inside Triton's orbit, and are very nearly in the plane of Neptune's rotation. Triton isn't, so its orbit would take it above and below the rings during its 6-day "month". > Am I right in thinking that the gravity figure for Triton given in Orbital > of 0.78 is wrong and it should be 0.078 G? (I.e. PCs from Luna would find > it lighter than home, but not that much). I don't have the reference, but the units may be the SI unit m/s^-2 instead of gees. If so, it's correct: about 0.08 gees. > Using something like the Palomino Heavy Lander (p.72) of the setting > (i.e. no anti-grav) what are reasonable transit times from a base > to, say 100km away, 1000km away, somewhere on the opposite side of > the moon? Sorry, I'm not at all familiar with the setting or the performance characteristics of the Palomino Heavy Lander. I presume it can easily land on Triton, and so must have at least 1 km/s delta-V at 0.1 gee thrust or so. So at most 10 minutes would be needed to travel 100 km, not including pre-boost preparations and landing details. No more than 30 minutes for 1000 km, and something like an hour for the other side of the moon. Reduce the times if the lander's performance greatly exceeds the minimum. Increase them if they need a lot of pre-flight checks, very careful selection of landing site, or other complications. > Are these three components thoroughly mixed rather than patches of > one and clumps of another? Lots of clumps and patches. Images show the Triton has a rather interesting differentiated surface. > Would the Nitrogen geysers simply be venting the Nitrogen to space > or would it (or some of it) fall back to Triton as Nitrogen "snow"? Almost all of it would fall back. Triton has a fairly thick atmosphere by the standards of moons; a few kilograms per square metre. It has tenuous clouds, but I'm not sure if they'd be visible without sensitive instruments watching starlight through them edge-on. > If there was a sub-surface ocean on Triton (I'm assuming this means > liquid not frozen) are we talking water or something else? (I'm > presuming that if it was liquid water it would be warmed from frozen > by the 'solid greenhouse effect' of the frozen Nitrogen (etc) > above.) Yes, liquid water mostly. Almost certainly with some ammonia and other stuff in it. It would most likely be kept liquid from decay of tiny amounts of radioactive elements present in rocks. Triton's density requires that it contain significant amounts of denser material than ices, so it almost certainly has such elements present. Solids are very good insulators on planetary scales, so even very tenuous sources of heat like that can keep the interior very much hotter than the surface. The surface temperatures are dominated by inward and outward balances of light and heat radiation, and Triton gets very little light indeed. Easily enough to see with (comparable to indoor artificial lighting), but not enough to keep the surface warm against the black heatsink of space. - Tim