That's an interesting take on the definition of 'industrialization'.
One I've never encountered before.
Perhaps this might've contributed to Japan's lack lustre performance (I know there's other factors) over the last 15 or so years?

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On Mon, 9/1/14, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML] Some more thoughts on TU system development vs countries on Earth
 To: "tml@simplelists.com" <tml@simplelists.com>
 Date: Monday, September 1, 2014, 6:19 PM

 No, 1996.

 That was the
 year the US Congress passed the anti-industrial espionage
 Bill that prevented the Japanese companies from siphoning
 off the results of federally-funded research.

 Until than
 many (most) Japanese corporate research offices in the US
 were conveniently located close to major university and
 college campuses.

 In China
 industrialisation had a brief start, but was killed by the
 'if it works, we don't need anything new'
 culture.

 In Europe this started in mid-17th century after the
 separation of Church and state, so the culture couldn't
 kill it (literally, see Inquisition), although many
 innovators were still persecuted.

 When Japan, which had 'industrialised' in the 1860s
 by copying anything and everything produced in Europe, was
 in 1996 forced to invest in own research facilities and try
 to change the way culture influenced basic education, that
 was its true start of industrialisation.

 Greg

 On 28
 August 2014 04:53, Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
 wrote:

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Greg Chalik <mrg3105@gmail.com>
 wrote:

 > Japan didn't industrialize until 1996, so not sure
 about 'speed of change'

 >

 >

 Do you perhaps mean 1896 instead?  This was 40 years
 after the Treaty of Kanagawa, a time period where Japan went
 from an agrarian TL2 backwater to a TL4, nearly TL5 world
 power capable of defeating one of the world’s largest
 navies.

 --

 Bruce Johnson

 University of Arizona

 College of Pharmacy

 Information Technology Group

 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

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