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Timothy Collinson
(22 Aug 2014 16:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(22 Aug 2014 19:02 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(22 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(22 Aug 2014 20:11 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(22 Aug 2014 20:46 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(22 Aug 2014 20:44 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 21:32 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 21:34 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(22 Aug 2014 22:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 23:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 08:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 00:30 UTC)
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Greg Chalik
(23 Aug 2014 02:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Joseph Hallare
(23 Aug 2014 06:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:41 UTC)
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Greg Chalik
(24 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 14:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 22:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(24 Aug 2014 22:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 23:16 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 22:56 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 00:23 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 05:37 UTC)
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Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 03:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 03:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 04:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 04:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 04:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 05:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 06:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 14:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 00:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:25 UTC)
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RE: [TML] expected ship traffic
Anthony Jackson
(26 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(26 Aug 2014 21:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(26 Aug 2014 04:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 05:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 13:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(26 Aug 2014 15:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Tim (27 Aug 2014 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 14:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 14:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 16:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 16:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 19:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 20:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kelly St. Clair
(25 Aug 2014 19:57 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 20:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 20:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:30 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 20:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 00:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(26 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:29 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:45 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(25 Aug 2014 16:48 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 17:04 UTC)
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David Shaw
(25 Aug 2014 18:16 UTC)
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Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:09 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 21:27 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Aug 2014 21:50 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Aug 2014 21:55 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(26 Aug 2014 13:35 UTC)
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John Geoffrey
(26 Aug 2014 14:19 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(26 Aug 2014 14:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
John Geoffrey
(26 Aug 2014 14:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(27 Aug 2014 02:35 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(27 Aug 2014 02:41 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 13:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 19:33 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 20:18 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(27 Aug 2014 21:57 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 13:06 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(28 Aug 2014 13:32 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 14:04 UTC)
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John Geoffrey
(28 Aug 2014 14:15 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 14:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(29 Aug 2014 07:15 UTC)
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Greg Chalik
(28 Aug 2014 20:27 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(27 Aug 2014 05:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 19:46 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(29 Aug 2014 19:29 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 19:00 UTC)
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William Ewing
(27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 20:10 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 20:28 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(29 Aug 2014 19:51 UTC)
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Andrew Long
(27 Aug 2014 20:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 21:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 06:14 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(24 Aug 2014 06:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 06:51 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(01 Sep 2014 00:29 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(01 Sep 2014 02:23 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(02 Sep 2014 00:32 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(02 Sep 2014 00:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(24 Aug 2014 07:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(24 Aug 2014 08:21 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 08:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 15:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
William Ewing
(27 Aug 2014 19:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 22:35 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 22:51 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 23:05 UTC)
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Thomas Jones-Low
(22 Aug 2014 20:59 UTC)
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Greg Chalik
(22 Aug 2014 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Thomas Jones-Low
(22 Aug 2014 21:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(22 Aug 2014 21:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 00:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 15:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 07:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(23 Aug 2014 08:57 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(23 Aug 2014 09:04 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(23 Aug 2014 09:23 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(23 Aug 2014 11:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 11:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:45 UTC)
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Freelance Traveller
(27 Aug 2014 22:31 UTC)
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Ian Whitchurch
(27 Aug 2014 23:11 UTC)
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Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 23:43 UTC)
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John Geoffrey
(28 Aug 2014 12:04 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(29 Aug 2014 13:30 UTC)
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:47:39AM -0700, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) wrote: > If trade was really at a MegaVolume level wouldn't just about all > worlds have been completely saturated w/ TL10+ by now? MegaVolume is a relative term. Remember that when we're talking about tens of thousands to millions of dtons per week, this is not for a city, state, or even a country. It's the sum total of all trade for at least a *whole planet*. By any human scale, planets are huge. Maybe if I put it another way: suppose an Earthlike planet is moderately sparsely populated, with an average population density of one person per square kilometre of land - say 50% of the total surface. By comparison, modern Earth's average land population density is about 50 people per km^2. This puts the world somewhat on the lower end of a pop-8 world. Let's say 20% of the population live in cities of a million people or more, 30% in large towns of 100k-1M people, 20% in smaller towns of 10k-100k, and the remaining 30% in villages or isolated settlements. There are probably about 5-10 cities on the planet. A "typical" inhabitant of the planet will live in or near the lower-size end of a large town, or the upper end of a smaller town, with maybe 90k people. The nearest city would probably be 2000-5000 km away, a decent length of trip even with grav technology. The nearest larger town would probably be "only" 500-1000 km away, though even at high tech not a trivial distance. A planet with very little trade might import and export only 2-4% of their GDP. That is, 96-98% of what they want is satisfied by local services or production. They're almost completely self-sufficient, but maybe a few things are cheaper, better, or easier to import (either regularly or irregularly). Maybe in return there are some things that they can supply just a bit better or cheaper than their neighbouring worlds. So this average 90k town imports or exports maybe on the order of 10-20 dtons per week. If every town had its own starport, it might get a small tramp once per month. This certainly has the flavour of something of a backwater. However, it's very unlikely that every town has its own downport. The trade for the world is likely aggregated into one or more highports, with an orbital and on-world distribution network of some sort. When you add up all the backwaters over the whole planet, you get a traffic of about 50,000 dtons per week despite this planet (and all the others nearby) meeting 96-98% of their own demand. So although this insular planet consists mostly of a few moderate cities and a great many backwater towns that never see a starship, the planet as a whole still does enormously more trade than a few tramps can supply. That's because planets are really big. - Tim