expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(22 Aug 2014 16:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(22 Aug 2014 19:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(22 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(22 Aug 2014 20:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(22 Aug 2014 20:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic Phil Pugliese (22 Aug 2014 20:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 21:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 21:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(22 Aug 2014 22:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(22 Aug 2014 23:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 08:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 00:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(23 Aug 2014 02:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Joseph Hallare
(23 Aug 2014 06:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(24 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 14:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 22:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(24 Aug 2014 22:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 23:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 22:56 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 05:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 03:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 03:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 04:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 04:13 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(25 Aug 2014 04:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 05:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(25 Aug 2014 06:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 14:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 00:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:25 UTC)
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RE: [TML] expected ship traffic
Anthony Jackson
(26 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(26 Aug 2014 21:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(26 Aug 2014 04:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 05:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 13:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(26 Aug 2014 15:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(27 Aug 2014 04:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 14:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 14:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 16:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 16:42 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 19:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 19:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 20:39 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kelly St. Clair
(25 Aug 2014 19:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 20:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 20:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 20:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(26 Aug 2014 00:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(26 Aug 2014 00:26 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(26 Aug 2014 00:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(25 Aug 2014 16:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 17:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
David Shaw
(25 Aug 2014 18:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Bruce Johnson
(25 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(25 Aug 2014 21:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 21:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Aug 2014 21:50 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Aug 2014 21:55 UTC)
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Jeffrey Schwartz
(26 Aug 2014 13:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
John Geoffrey
(26 Aug 2014 14:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(26 Aug 2014 14:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
John Geoffrey
(26 Aug 2014 14:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(27 Aug 2014 02:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kurt Feltenberger
(27 Aug 2014 02:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 13:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 19:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 20:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(27 Aug 2014 21:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 13:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(28 Aug 2014 13:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 14:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
John Geoffrey
(28 Aug 2014 14:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(28 Aug 2014 14:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(29 Aug 2014 07:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(28 Aug 2014 20:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kelly St. Clair
(27 Aug 2014 05:18 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(27 Aug 2014 19:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(29 Aug 2014 19:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 19:00 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
William Ewing
(27 Aug 2014 20:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 20:10 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Jeffrey Schwartz
(27 Aug 2014 20:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 20:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(29 Aug 2014 19:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Andrew Long
(27 Aug 2014 20:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 21:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(25 Aug 2014 06:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Richard Aiken
(24 Aug 2014 06:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 06:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Richard Aiken
(01 Sep 2014 00:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(01 Sep 2014 02:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Richard Aiken
(02 Sep 2014 00:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(02 Sep 2014 00:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(24 Aug 2014 07:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(24 Aug 2014 08:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 08:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 15:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
William Ewing
(27 Aug 2014 19:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 22:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(24 Aug 2014 22:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 23:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Thomas Jones-Low
(22 Aug 2014 20:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Greg Chalik
(22 Aug 2014 21:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Thomas Jones-Low
(22 Aug 2014 21:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(22 Aug 2014 21:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 00:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(24 Aug 2014 15:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 07:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(23 Aug 2014 08:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kelly St. Clair
(23 Aug 2014 09:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Kelly St. Clair
(23 Aug 2014 09:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Timothy Collinson
(23 Aug 2014 11:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Tim
(23 Aug 2014 11:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Phil Pugliese
(23 Aug 2014 23:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Freelance Traveller
(27 Aug 2014 22:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Ian Whitchurch
(27 Aug 2014 23:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
Craig Berry
(27 Aug 2014 23:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] expected ship traffic
John Geoffrey
(28 Aug 2014 12:04 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(29 Aug 2014 13:30 UTC)
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The 'large scheduled container ship' theorem came in w/ MT & DGP. A later development (later MT or early Virus) was the silly idea that just about all systems would hyper-specialize their production. (Bertil Jonell made the observation that it seems that most system's production is similar to a system that exclusively produces left-footed shoes & imports *everything* else! BTW, anyone have any contact info wrt Bertil?) DGP apparently never understood that the TU had always used the 17th century as a template instead of the, at that time current, 1980's. Hence there was a dichotomy. If Tim's calculations are correct (I don't have T5) then it appears that DGP's template has been abandoned & the original CT has been put back in place. I, for one, welcome that development as I never could buy into the idea that such a large volume of cargo could continue to be shipped indefinitely w/o eventually being supplanted by in-system (not necessarily on-planet) production. I believe that someone (Jeff?) posted some text on this subject a while back that allowed for such w/o endangering the 3I's revenue which was one the major arguments used to support MT-DGP's position. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 8/22/14, Craig Berry <cdberry@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [TML] expected ship traffic To: tml@simplelists.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2014, 12:50 PM I've always thought that most interstellar shipping, like most shipping today, would be done by large, scheduled container ships. Small independents in their free/far/fat traders would fill in gaps -- whether that means visiting a system without regular freight service (for whatever reason), or getting an urgent cargo delivered ahead of the usual schedule, or carrying something the regulars won't touch for legal or other reasons. A free trader trying to compete head to head against the big guys is doomed; they can't beat the economies of scale. Nor will most honest business-sophonts do business with a shady tramp freighter's crew when the fully bonded, easily sued megacorp is an option. For shipping volume calculations, I recommend Far Trader ( http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/traveller/fartrader/ ); from what I recall, it produced very reasonable figures. (The worked example calculating the traffic between the two main Vegan worlds made my head spin.) On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Phil Pugliese (via tml list) <nobody@simplelists.com> wrote: This email was sent from yahoo.com which does not allow forwarding of emails via email lists. Therefore the sender's email address (philpugliese@yahoo.com) has been replaced with a dummy one. The original message follows: -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 8/22/14, Timothy Collinson <timothy.collinson@port.ac.uk> wrote: Subject: [TML] expected ship traffic To: "tml@simplelists.com" <tml@simplelists.com> Date: Friday, August 22, 2014, 9:53 AM Hi there, Am I reading this correctly? page 435 of the T5 core rules give a figure for 'expected ship traffic' - the expected interstellar ship traffic for a starport. S = 10^Ix / H where:S = total ships per week Ix = Importance H = Average Cargo Hold Capacity = 100 for most worlds OK, so I'm looking at Neala in Ilelish Sector whose importance = 1 So I make that a total of 1 ship every 10 weeks. And a B class starport! Is that right or am I missing something? Nearby Gypsy has an Importance of 2 so it manages 1 ship per week. (And again a B class starport). Is traffic really this low? cheers tc ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If that's NOT a typo then it so long to MT's interpretation of what 'maritime' (post-container cargo 20th century Earth) means. However, even under the original CT definition (17th century Earth), it seems a little 'light'. BTW, how much cargo can the CT Free,Far, & 'Fat'Trader carry? p.s. I would argue that whether not not a world is on a J1 'Main' should also factor in as otherwise the ubiquitous FreeTrader can't go there. =================================================================================================== ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=PltOdItWBSgOP4y0Q6abkGbDI1eus0lz -- Craig Berry (http://google.com/+CraigBerry) "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." - William Blake ----- The Traveller Mailing List Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml Report problems to listmom@travellercentral.com To unsubscribe from this list please goto http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=EwREIRgLK8vaUEhNlnoNdSGKwnjoID8a