EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Jeffrey Schwartz
(01 Aug 2014 16:39 UTC)
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RE: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Anthony Jackson
(01 Aug 2014 18:04 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Bruce Johnson
(01 Aug 2014 18:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Jeffrey Schwartz
(01 Aug 2014 19:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Bruce Johnson
(01 Aug 2014 20:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
shadow@xxxxxx
(03 Aug 2014 18:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Tim
(04 Aug 2014 05:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Richard Aiken
(04 Aug 2014 10:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Tim (04 Aug 2014 14:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Ian Whitchurch
(04 Aug 2014 22:24 UTC)
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Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful
Bruce Johnson
(04 Aug 2014 22:47 UTC)
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On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 06:48:54AM -0400, Richard Aiken wrote: > It sounds to me like their measurement gear is imprecise. The vibrations > from a passing semi could have given the "non-thrust article" apparent > thrust . . . I've got a copy of the actual paper now. He did go to great lengths to isolate external vibration sources. He didn't go to any lengths whatsoever to eliminate convection currents in the air around the device. In the "Summary and Forward Work" section of the paper, he talks about how he had to test it in air because the device uses electrolytic capacitors, and looks forward to a future version that would operate in vacuum. Although the torsion balance used to test this device was physically within a vacuum chamber, it was not depressurized for the tests. The thrust graphs he presents in the paper are completely consistent with convection effects. Despite his claim that the force is due to unbalanced quantum field forces operating in the resonant cavity over microsecond timescales, the measured force slowly builds up over about 30 seconds, then takes another 30 seconds or so to drop to baseline after the power is turned off. That's just what you should expect to see if hotspots were causing an air circulation pattern to build up, then slow down as the spots cooled. The forces measured are also consistent with this, being somewhat smaller than aerodynamic forces generated by warm air rising from a person's hand. Contrary to the perception of a full-time "NASA team" working on this, it was actually done by one person, with some mentors (who were listed as co-authors), and performed within a short span of time. - Tim