EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Jeffrey Schwartz (01 Aug 2014 16:39 UTC)
RE: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Anthony Jackson (01 Aug 2014 18:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Bruce Johnson (01 Aug 2014 18:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Jeffrey Schwartz (01 Aug 2014 19:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Bruce Johnson (01 Aug 2014 20:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful shadow@xxxxxx (03 Aug 2014 18:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Richard Aiken (04 Aug 2014 10:48 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Ian Whitchurch (04 Aug 2014 22:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Bruce Johnson (04 Aug 2014 22:47 UTC)

Re: [TML] EmDrive test ... somewhat successful Jeffrey Schwartz 01 Aug 2014 19:01 UTC

Dunno, read that more as

"Fully configured Corvette engine produced thrust.  Engine that we
built w/o exhaust manifold, air cleaner, water pump also produced
thrust"

Remember the only difference on the expected non-functional was the
shape of the interior of the cavity - there could have still been some
effect.

The line I did _not_ see was if the effect was the same for both

All that said, I do kinda wonder if running current through the thing
produced enough magnetism to faintly attract it to the walls of the
stainless steel test chamber...

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Johnson
<xxxxxx@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jeffrey Schwartz <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://science-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/08/01/020230/nasa-tests-microwave-space-drive
>
> Ehhh…maybe not
>
> <http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052>
>
> From the abstract:
>
> "Thrust was observed on both test articles, even though one of the test articles was designed with the expectation that it would not produce thrust. Specifically, one test article contained internal physical modifications that were designed to produce thrust, while the other did not (with the latter being referred to as the "null" test article).”
>
> Basically their apparatus measured ‘thrust’ for both a ‘functional’ and ‘non-functional’ ‘drive’.
>
> It’s akin to sticking one corvette engine on a dyno, and another on the same dyno but having removed the spark plugs, and getting the same horsepower output.
>
> You do not then announce to the world that you’ve discovered a new way of running a corvette engine without spark plugs; rather you examine your dyno setup.
>
> I do not understand how they could go from ‘Thrust was observed on both test articles, even though one of the test articles was designed with the expectation that it would not produce thrust. ’ to 'Test results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon’
>
> This essentially means they cannot identify the source of their experimental error, not that they necessarily measured anything real.
>
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