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On Wed, 7/30/14, Kelly St. Clair <xxxxxx@efn.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TML]Request
 To: xxxxxx@simplelists.com
 Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2014, 11:38 PM

 On 7/30/2014 10:54 PM,
 Knapp wrote:

 > Much
 harder question. Education basically changes a wild free
 human into
 > one willing to join the
 workforce and work for rich people for
 >
 (possibly) the chance to become rich themselves or it moves
 them more
 > towards just plain slavery
 depending on the system. Who would willing go
 > from roaming the wilds finding food on
 plants and shooting wild animals
 > with
 lots of free time with the family to standing on a conveyor
 belt
 > building the same thing all day or
 in more modern worlds, sitting in
 > front
 of a computer all day doing the same thing for years?

 Um, in fairness - me.  (Maybe
 I'd feel different if I'd been brought up
 in another culture, but that's an
 impossible thing to answer.)  This
 version
 of me enjoys the benefits of modern Western society, even at
 my
 relatively low (for THIS society;
 unimaginably high to most past and
 even
 present ones) wealth bracket, including the ability to
 converse,
 exchange ideas and/or play games
 with people on the other side of the
 planet.  I also prefer the stability and
 security of an office job,
 however
 occasionally tedious, to the "exciting"
 possibility of death,
 injury and/or
 starvation (they're all linked, you see) if a hunt goes
 badly.

 Or to put it more
 succinctly, I am a thoroughly civilized man.
 (Domesticated, if you prefer.)  If
 civilization were to collapse, I
 would
 follow it, likely within weeks if not days.  I have known
 and
 accepted this for decades.

 Kelly St.
 Clair
 xxxxxx@efn.org
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My opinion is that just about everyone who lionizes stone-age subsistence existence has never actually experienced anything close to it.

Hmmm, what's the avg life expectancy? child mortality?

Hmmm?

p.s. Oh & don't forget that the mature females must be kept continuosly pregnant or nursing so that the 'group' doesn't die out!

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