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Leslie Bates
(20 Jul 2014 04:34 UTC)
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Kenneth Barns
(20 Jul 2014 08:01 UTC)
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Leslie Bates
(20 Jul 2014 11:15 UTC)
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Freelance Traveller
(20 Jul 2014 08:11 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(20 Jul 2014 08:25 UTC)
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Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Freelance Traveller
(20 Jul 2014 15:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns
David Shaw
(20 Jul 2014 19:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns
Andrew Staples
(21 Jul 2014 05:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns
Timothy Collinson
(21 Jul 2014 06:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Andrew Long
(20 Jul 2014 21:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Timothy Collinson
(20 Jul 2014 21:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Phil Pugliese
(21 Jul 2014 15:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Freelance Traveller
(21 Jul 2014 15:35 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question)
Phil Pugliese
(21 Jul 2014 17:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question) Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2014 15:53 UTC)
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Douglas Berry
(21 Jul 2014 03:33 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(21 Jul 2014 06:24 UTC)
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Douglas Berry
(21 Jul 2014 21:39 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(22 Jul 2014 07:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Question
Michael Houghton
(20 Jul 2014 15:02 UTC)
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-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/20/14, Freelance Traveller <editor@freelancetraveller.com> wrote: Subject: [TML] Naming patterns (was: Re: Question) To: tml@simplelists.com Date: Sunday, July 20, 2014, 8:16 AM The British royal family does not have a surname, despite the widespread belief that it's "Windsor". They are the House of Windsor, true, but when Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, was commissioned in the RAF, it was as "Lt. Wales", based on his father's title of Prince of Wales, not "Lt. Windsor". The royal House name has changed in comparatively recent times; at one time, prior to World War I, they were the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, later the House of Hannover, then the House of Hannover-Windsor, and when the Monarch formally renounced the title of Elector of Hannover (which was in abeyance since the Holy Roman Empire was disbanded), it was changed to House of Windsor. -- Jeff Zeitlin, Editor Freelance Traveller The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller╝ Fanzine and Resource ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The books that I've read, which may be out-of-date, c. 1970's, state that the House Of Hannover began when Queen Anne died in the early 1700's & and a law passed by parliament decreed that the Elector of Hannover would become George I. That House continued until a son of George III died w/o legitimate male issue & since the next-in-line was Victoria's deceased father, she ascended the throne under the Rules then in effect for the UK. She was the last 'Hannoverian' & when she married Prince Albert of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha the House name changed. Hannover (now a kingdom after the Congress of Vienna in 1815) had a different succession rule & so Victoria's uncle, another son of George III took that throne, which his descendants lost to Prussia after they took the side of the Austrians in the Seven Weeks War of 1866. Interesting, the Hannoverian line was also the junior line of Brunswick & when it became apparent early in the 20th century that the elderly current Duke of Brunswick was not going to produce an heir rendering the senior line extinct, a sort of conclave was convened & it was decided the the junior line would gain the throne. Sadly, though, WWI arrived & ended before the old Duke passed away so the junior line never did actually get to reign again. Back in the UK, there was an upsurge of anti-German sentiment during WWI resulting in a decree by George V that the ruling House of the UK would henceforth be known as The House of Windsor while the Prince of Battenberg renounced his german title & was granted the title of Lord Mountbatten. He was the father of the 'famous' Mountbatten of WWII fame. I believe that there may have been some other 'anglicizations' at that time also. Interestingly, if the old rules were still in effect, the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha would be ending w/ the current Queen & her son would initiate a new House based upon his father's heritage which, I believe, was Danish by way of Greece. p.s. I've seen two different methods of 'house name changing' some charts indicate that House Name changed when Victoria was married, making her the first of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's, rather than the last of the Hannoverians. This would mean that, absent the 'House of Windsor' decree, the current monarch would be the first of a new house rather than the last of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. I also recall reading an article that stated that Victoria once called upon a group of scholars to determine what her surname should be but I don't remember if anything was actually decided upon.