What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Postmark
(20 Feb 2022 22:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo Jeff Zeitlin (21 Feb 2022 00:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Jeff Rowse
(21 Feb 2022 12:41 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Timothy Collinson
(21 Feb 2022 19:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
James Davies
(21 Feb 2022 19:53 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Alex Goodwin
(22 Feb 2022 14:06 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Jeff Zeitlin
(24 Feb 2022 00:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Jeff Rowse
(24 Feb 2022 12:27 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Alex Goodwin
(24 Feb 2022 14:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Jeff Rowse
(03 Mar 2022 12:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] What is covered by a UK arms embargo
Alex Goodwin
(03 Mar 2022 16:23 UTC)
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:14:49 +0000, Phil Kitching <xxxxxx@btinternet.com> wrote: >Im currently unhappy with the people writing training courses at work. >They have a tendency to set questions based on their own unique English >dictionary. (Their other trick is to write something vague and only accept >their interpretation.) In recent years - perhaps recent decades - this sort of "Humpty-Dumpty" (bonus points for recognizing the reference) abuse of language (and thought) has spread west from the former Soviet Union. It now pretty much pervades society from top to bottom. >I doubt youre interested in that, but their latest definition is >embargo, which the internet seems to agree is a restriction on trade and >they think is a complete ban on all trade. It's a bit more nuanced than either of those definitions, but closer to the the "restriction" definition than to the "complete ban" definition. Generally, when an "embargo" is imposed on trade with an entity, the entity imposing the embargo is defining what trade it will permit (or not) between the imposing entity and the target entity, for whatever reasons seem good to the imposing entity. Thus, the Sylean Federation may embargo trade in weapons or other military technology with the Chanestin Kingdom, but may have nothing to say about trade in foodstuffs, grav vehicles of 1G thrust or less, or computers of computer/1 capability or less. It may also require that sales of embargoed goods to purchasers other than the Chanestin Kingdom not be sold on _to_ the Chanestins (under pain of being placed under similar embargo), but otherwise says nothing about other entities selling their own goods or technology to the Chanestins. The embargo may in fact be a complete ban on trade, as the United States vs. Castro's Cuba. That didn't stop (e.g.) Canada from trading with Cuba. "Secondary Embargoes" are also a thing, though currently banned by "international law" (don't get me started on that misnomer). An example of a secondary embargo was when the Arab states would refuse to do business with any company that did business with the State of Israel. "Blockades" are somewhat different, and are generally considered an act of war against the targetted entity by the imposing entity. In a blockade, the imposing entity is not only not trading with the targetted entity (a complete embargo), but is also preventing _by force_ the targetted entity from trading with _any_ other entity. >Strange then that it takes the UK government 310 pages to define what is >included in an arms embargo (the UK doesnt actually have any embargoes on >all trade). This isn't strange at all, given the correct definition of "embargo"; what the three-hundred-odd pages appear to be doing is not defining _embargo_, but defining _arms_ for the purpose of declaring an "arms embargo". >Naturally, as I was perusing this list (its the internet, of course >looking up the word embargo involves following links), I wondered if >someone else might be interested in a list of things the governments might >not want ethical merchants freely transporting between places. > >https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1052560/uk-strategic-export-control-lists.pdf I suspect that this document doesn't tell the whole story, any more than the equivalent US documents do. Export control can be a complicated subject, where some regulations may apply to exports of some but not all goods to one entity but not another, or different regulations may apply to different goods or entities under different circumstances. For the United States, you can find the surface evidence of the rabbit warren at https://research.ncsu.edu/administration/compliance/research-compliance/export-controls/export-controlled-items/ and https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php - it doesn't take more than a couple of clicks from either to realize that it's not a trivial subject... ®Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2022. Use of the trademark in this notice and in the referenced materials is not intended to infringe or devalue the trademark. -- Jeff Zeitlin, Editor Freelance Traveller The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller® Resource xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com http://www.freelancetraveller.com Freelance Traveller extends its thanks to the following enterprises for hosting services: onCloud/CyberWeb Enterprises (http://www.oncloud.io) The Traveller Downport (http://www.downport.com)