[Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Jeff Zeitlin
(11 Sep 2021 23:47 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Alex Goodwin
(17 Sep 2021 19:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Jeff Zeitlin
(17 Sep 2021 23:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion Alex Goodwin (18 Sep 2021 17:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Evyn MacDude
(18 Sep 2021 22:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Timothy Collinson
(20 Sep 2021 03:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Jeff Zeitlin
(16 Oct 2021 13:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] [Freelance Traveller] FOR COMMENT/DISCUSSION - "Model" of religion
Alex Goodwin
(16 Oct 2021 14:38 UTC)
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I invite (and encourage) the learned membership to challenge and/or find counterexamples to Jeff's hypothesis. On 18/9/21 9:43 am, Jeff Zeitlin - editor at freelancetraveller.com (via tml list) wrote: > >> I see you've noted some rank ordering of those three metamemes >> (Propitiatory / Ethical / Transcendental) already - I'd suspect even a >> designed religion that lasts long enough (however long that may be) >> would incorporate (whether by design or evolution) elements from the >> other metamemes. Otherwise, it would become an ex-religion, ceasing to >> be, and whose memetic processes are now only of interest to historians. > Less a "rank ordering" than an "evolutionary ordering", and I will freely > admit that such ordering is based on the pattern established here on Earth, > now and in our past. > >> How would a single-metameme-dominant religion, as a class, vary from one >> where two of them are roughly equal in import? > Mostly in the style of ritual, and possibly the role of clergy. Both of > those are to be covered in other sections of the document. > > Right now, I just want to make sure that I have an exhaustive (or very > nearly so) partition of Models (or metamemes, as you've put it). > > (Note that "pantheism" actually can fall at both ends of the evolutionary > model - once you achieve the goal of a transcendental religion, you might > come to the realization that God Is Everything And Everything Is God, > putting it at the end of the evolutionary path (post-transcendental > pantheism) - or it could be at the beginning of the model, where "primitive > pantheism" comes before you realize that the world works according to > rules.) > > > > ®Traveller is a registered trademark of > Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2020. Use of > the trademark in this notice and in the > referenced materials is not intended to > infringe or devalue the trademark. > -- On further thought, and nicking liberally from Winchell Chung of Atomic Rockets (who dug upand applied Mendeleev's observation that building a framework allows you to look for interesting holes), that gives you 7 categories (with somewhat blurry lines between them) of religion - 3 independent binary variables (given metameme dominant or not), trivially excluding the empty-dominant set. For a first attempt: {Propitiatory / Ethical / Transcendental}-dominant - named metameme dominates the two others; {Propitiatory / Ethical / Transcendental}-deficient - named metameme is dominated by the two others roughly equally; Co-dominant - all three metamemes roughly equally dominant; I have no idea how the resulting distribution will shake out, barring a suspicion that a currently co-dominant religion is at an unstable equlibrium. _I_ think you've got a solid first cut at a breakdown (am reluctant to call it a partition, as it's possibly not exhaustive, and the resulting subsets are explicitly not disjoint).