On Wed, 26 May 2021 05:45:25 +0100, Timothy Collinson
<xxxxxx@port.ac.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 May 2021, 23:59 Jeff Zeitlin, <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com>
>wrote:

>> Would you be so kind as to list the titles in the series?
>>
>
>Sorry, yes.
>Dark Eden
>Mother of Eden
>Daughter of Eden

Thank you. Now I can properly update my "to-be-acquired" list.

>> No; "Darmok" was much too dependent on _cultural_ context and history -
>> there was _no_ way for the crew of the Enterprise to know what the aliens
>> were saying until they had some sort of common understanding of the
>> background

>Ah, ok.  This is where my ignorance on the technical side shows through.  I
>think I had seen it as more of a continuum where Darmok was the other end
>and holophrasis was somewhere in the (middle?).

Hmmmm... I'm not sure that particular continuum has any reality in
linguistic typology... but it's an interesting thought.

>> (BTW... how many readers of this understand why I picked the "Darmokese"
>> phrase I did, _without_ having to look at google or some other reference?)
>>
>
>If it's because you need 'shared reference people' like Darmok, then I'm
>with you.
>
>If it's because S and P represent two different schools of thought (though
>don't ask me to define them) then I'm with you.
>
>If it's a clever pun on their dia*log*ues then I'm with you.
>
>If there's some tale of them of them sitting on a log then I don't know.

Actually, it's closest to the last - Plato was Socrates' most famous
student, and Socrates is said to have defined a school as "a student and a
teacher sitting on the ends of a log". Remember, this is how the "Darmoks"
spoke _and thought_, just using _human_ cultural referents for the example.

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