Biospheres and Boodle
Alex Goodwin
(19 Feb 2021 17:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Timothy Collinson
(19 Feb 2021 17:34 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2021 20:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Alex Goodwin
(20 Feb 2021 07:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Timothy Collinson
(20 Feb 2021 11:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Jeff Zeitlin
(20 Feb 2021 15:06 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(20 Feb 2021 17:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle Jeff Zeitlin (20 Feb 2021 19:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Alex Goodwin
(21 Feb 2021 05:19 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2021 13:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Rupert Boleyn
(21 Feb 2021 20:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Jeff Zeitlin
(21 Feb 2021 21:35 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(20 Feb 2021 15:44 UTC)
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:20:33 -0000, <xxxxxx@quibell.org.uk> wrote to Freelance Traveller: >Hi Jeff, >In CT and MT you pay the deposit and then 240 payments meaning, as you say, >you pay 220% of the ships price. >In GT because you pay the 20% deposit, as Alex points out you pay the >mortgage in 80% of the value of the ship (which is more in line with what >it should be). >I couldnt find anything about the deposit bit in MgT2. >So while the mortgage is the same the overall financing of the ship is >slightly different depending on the version that you are using. I couldn't find the actual text of the financing rules in GT; I'll take Alex's reading as valid. However, down payment vs no down payment and 1/240 of purchase price vs 1/240 of balance really only changes the rate and the final payout. I used https://fidelitybank.com/resources/knowledge-center/calculator-what-is-my-loan-rate/ for the following calculations; this computes a rate based on the purchase price, down payment (what you've been calling 'deposit'), payment amount, and term of the loan. For the below, I picked numbers which would be easy to BotE for the numerical relationships, not because the dollar amounts were reasonable for starships. I didn't tick the box for the payment schedule, but if I had, it would have included a table showing how much of each monthly payment was paying off the accrued interest and how much was paying down the principal. For CT/MT, which states 20% down and 1/240 of purchase price for 480 months, I used PURCHASE PRICE: $240,000 DOWN PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 48,000 PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 1,000 (this is 1/240 of the purchase price) LOAN TERM: 480 months The calculator gives a loan rate of 5.574% per annum. The final payout will be 480*1,000 (sum of monthly payments) + 48,000 (down payment), or 480,000+48,000, or 528,000 - which is 220% of the listed price. For GT, which by Alex's workup says 20% down and 1/240 of balance for 480 months, I used PURCHASE PRICE: $240,000 DOWN PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 48,000 PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 800 (this is 1/240 of $192,000, the balance of the loan) LOAN TERM: 480 months The calculator gives a loan rate of 3.980% per annum. The final payout will be 480*800 (sum of monthly payments) + 48,000 (down payment), or 384,000+48,000, or $432,000 - which is 180% of the listed price. For Mongoose, which you state doesn't give a down payment, I assumed 1/240 of purchase price for 480 months: PURCHASE PRICE: $240,000 DOWN PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 0 PAYMENT AMOUNT: $ 1,000 (this is 1/240 of purchase price) LOAN TERM: 480 months The calculator gives a loan rate of 3.980%, the same as Alex's interpretation of GT. The final payout will be 480*1000 (sum of monthly payments) + 0 (no down payment), or 480,000 - which is 200% of the listed price. It's not discussed in any version of Traveller, but in the real world - at least in parts of the United States - if your down payment is less than 20%, you will incur an extra expense for 'Private Mortgage Insurance'. This supposedly offers the bank some extra protection against default, and what I could find on it basically says that the extra payment is applied against equity until you reach the 20% threshhold - essentially, it folds the difference between your actual down payment and a 20% down payment into your monthly payments for part of the loan period, based on the PMI rate, which nominally ranges from 0.5% to 2.25% of the purchase price per annum. This is not compounded; it is a flat addition to your payment until you reach the 20%-of-purchase-price threshhold. The above calculations do NOT account for PMI in the Mongoose calculation, and for the CT/MT and GT calculations, PMI would not be required due to the 20% down payment. In the US, mortgage rates are keyed to the "Prime Rate" set by the Federal Reserve Banking System Board of Governors, which is the rate that the member banks loan to other banks at. Mortgage rates are set at "prime plus x%" for variable-rate mortgages, and fixed-rate mortgages are set at some amount above prime at contract time but not varying over the life of the loan. I don't know how they're set in other countries, but I imagine it's similar, with countries using Currency Boards instead of a Reserve Bank probably setting rates based on either the prime-rate-equivalent of the benchmark currency, or on LIBOR or SOFR. (Traveller starship mortgages are treated as fixed-rate mortgages.) ®Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2020. Use of the trademark in this notice and in the referenced materials is not intended to infringe or devalue the trademark. -- Jeff Zeitlin, Editor Freelance Traveller The Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller® Resource xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com http://www.freelancetraveller.com Freelance Traveller extends its thanks to the following enterprises for hosting services: onCloud/CyberWeb Enterprises (http://www.oncloud.io) The Traveller Downport (http://www.downport.com)