Biospheres and Boodle Alex Goodwin (19 Feb 2021 17:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Timothy Collinson
(19 Feb 2021 17:34 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(19 Feb 2021 20:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Alex Goodwin
(20 Feb 2021 07:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Timothy Collinson
(20 Feb 2021 11:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Jeff Zeitlin
(20 Feb 2021 15:06 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(20 Feb 2021 17:20 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Jeff Zeitlin
(20 Feb 2021 19:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Alex Goodwin
(21 Feb 2021 05:19 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(21 Feb 2021 13:14 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Rupert Boleyn
(21 Feb 2021 20:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
Jeff Zeitlin
(21 Feb 2021 21:35 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Biospheres and Boodle
ewan@xxxxxx
(20 Feb 2021 15:44 UTC)
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Well, Collision, you did ask for it. I'll look at a TTL12 J-2 ship, since that seems to be fairly common in Golden Age settings, and do my best to belt the MGT2 trade bits into some sort of sense. A dton of biosphere has a sticker price of 200,000 Cr and requires 1 Power. At TTL12, this gives an incremental powerplant cost of 66,667 Cr and 0.067 dton. (TTL12 fusion plant generating 15 power per dton and costing MCr1/dton). Assuming I've read the life support rules properly, that saves 2,000 Cr/mo in life support costs. (Those with some finance background, please bear with me as I fill in those without such background). You're already familiar with a method for converting a large up-front cost into a recurring payment - ie, a mortgage. That's what I'll do here. The annual interest rate implied by the ship mortgage rules works out (iirc) to 5.56% pa. GT: Starports p66: "Starports are normally financed by the issue of low-risk Imperial bonds. These bonds pay a 3% dividend per year, which the SPA must pay..." Short-dated central-government-issued securities in its domestic market are (usually) regarded as having very low default risk (for instance, the last time the AU federal government defaulted on its domestic obligations was in late 1929), so their interest rate is normally taken as a risk-free rate. GT: Far Trader p7: "The return on Imperial bonds (considered risk-free) is so low that people only invest in them to avoid keeping cash around." This, combined with (GT:FT, p6) "an average annual growth rate of less than 1%" leads me to put an upper bound on the 3I risk free rate of 1% pa. Given that someone who might back a ship to the tune of X MCr can earn 3% pa on their money while sitting at home, they would logically require a greater return on their capital to put it at risk as equity (ie, ownership stake) in some sort of business. Likewise, if they can invest in ship mortgages and get around 5-5.5% pa while sitting at home, that further raises the lower bound for the required rate of return on equity. For simplicity, I'll add the mortgage risk premium (4.56% pa over the risk free rate) onto the mortgage rate, so our punter would require 10.12% pa on their money to back a ship with equity. As ships are conventionally financed with a 20% deposit (equity) and an 80% mortgage (debt), that works out to a weighted average cost of capital of 6.5% pa. A Cr266,667 mortgage over 40 years at 6.5% pa works out to Cr1,562 per month. Thus, at first cut, a dton of biosphere would seem to be a net Cr438/month saving (up until at least covering the crew's life support needs). Not so fast, livewire. As Trav ships generally tend towards "stuffed to the gills", they run short of free space. Where are you finding that 1.067 dton? What are you giving up? The default answer is "cargo space", -and the resulting revenue. How much revenue is lost is a nontrivial question to answer, especially with MGT2's order-of-magnitude increase in freight rates going from 5 pc travelled to 6 (Cr7,700/dton to Cr86,000/dton). Whether the ship is in tramp (25 jumps/yr) or liner (35 jumps/yr) service also has an influence. To lower-bound things _on a full hold_, looking at cargo travelling 2 pc (Cr1,600/dton) on a tramp trader: Jumps/mo: 2.08 Revenue lost/mo: Cr3,328 Net cost per ton of biosphere: Cr2,890/mo To break even under that assumption, on average a dton of biosphere has to displace _less than_ 0.13 dton of cargo per month. For a single dton of biosphere, that works out to the cargo hold not being full at least 88% of the time (assuming no spec cargo). And I come to pass - out. Alex --