You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(22 Dec 2020 05:12 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(23 Dec 2020 01:51 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(23 Dec 2020 08:24 UTC)
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Jonathan Clark
(24 Dec 2020 02:41 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(24 Dec 2020 02:51 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(25 Dec 2020 12:17 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(26 Dec 2020 02:33 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(26 Dec 2020 09:58 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(26 Dec 2020 15:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(26 Dec 2020 20:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Thomas RUX
(26 Dec 2020 21:03 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(26 Dec 2020 21:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(26 Dec 2020 23:50 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(27 Dec 2020 00:20 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(27 Dec 2020 00:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(27 Dec 2020 01:10 UTC)
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James Catchpole
(27 Dec 2020 01:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
James Catchpole
(27 Dec 2020 01:45 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Phil Pugliese
(27 Dec 2020 09:55 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(28 Dec 2020 05:05 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(24 Dec 2020 10:30 UTC)
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James Catchpole
(24 Dec 2020 15:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(25 Dec 2020 12:23 UTC)
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James Catchpole
(25 Dec 2020 13:36 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(26 Dec 2020 02:38 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Thomas RUX
(24 Dec 2020 13:49 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Timothy Collinson
(25 Dec 2020 12:30 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(26 Dec 2020 02:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Jonathan Clark
(25 Dec 2020 01:36 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(25 Dec 2020 02:30 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(25 Dec 2020 02:30 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(25 Dec 2020 12:14 UTC)
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Cian Witherspoon
(31 Dec 2020 05:14 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(31 Dec 2020 23:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Rupert Boleyn
(01 Jan 2021 02:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(01 Jan 2021 02:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Rupert Boleyn
(01 Jan 2021 04:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that a yacht?
Rupert Boleyn
(01 Jan 2021 02:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that ayacht?
Charles Hensley
(08 Jan 2021 05:05 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that ayacht?
Timothy Collinson
(08 Jan 2021 12:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that ayacht?
Rupert Boleyn
(08 Jan 2021 13:01 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(08 Jan 2021 14:53 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(09 Jan 2021 00:09 UTC)
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Kurt Feltenberger
(09 Jan 2021 00:50 UTC)
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Rupert Boleyn
(09 Jan 2021 01:49 UTC)
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RE: [TML] You call that ayacht?
ewan@xxxxxx
(10 Jan 2021 13:40 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call that ayacht? Rupert Boleyn (09 Jan 2021 01:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call thatayacht?
Charles Hensley
(09 Jan 2021 17:12 UTC)
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Re: [TML] You call thatayacht?
Kurt Feltenberger
(13 Jan 2021 00:48 UTC)
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On 09Jan2021 1309, Kurt Feltenberger wrote: > I'm not sure how much faith I'm willing to put into this as something > even being "spitball accurate". A Nimitz class CVN comes out to about > 24.5kdtons, and when you compare that to existing known sizes of > Traveller shisp, it seems a bit...weak. Given her dimensions of about 333m long (overall length) x 77m beam (again, overall) x (11 + 17)m height (draught plus height to flight deck), her block volume is 666,666 m^3, or ~47,620 DTons. However, her underwater volume is only ~100,000 m^3, and her above-water volume isn't that of a block, so we know her volume is somewhat lower than that. Even if we assume a very chunky co-efficient of 0.9 for the above-water hull, it comes in at ~305,000 m^3. Add that to the submerged portion and we get a total volume of ~405,000 m^3, or ~29,000 DTons. So for her mass, Nimitz is a big ship, but within the 1/3rd to 1/5th range I gave. Remember that a surface ship's crew do not need full life support, and thus take up much less space than is assumed in Traveller. Thus Nimitz' complement of ~6,000 do not need three thousand staterooms (at 6,000 DTons just for them), or 20% of her volume. Space-Nimitz won't be carrying some of her sub-craft complement sitting on her flight deck much of the time either, so all storage, working, and deployment volume has to be accounted for. As a starship in the Traveller universe any such ship would need a lot of volume devoted to jump fuel, too - the usual standard for Third Imperium navy fleet ships in the classic era is jump-4, requiring 40% of the volume be fuel (plus a bit more for the reactor). Thus Space-Nimitz simply has to be much bigger than USS Nimitz is. At least she needs little to no space be put aside for her sub-crafts fuel. By the way, most of the aircraft would count as ~50 DTons, with some being smaller (the helicopters), and some larger (such as the Hawkeyes). This translates well to using 50 DTon fighters in Traveller, and implies hanger space for ~4,500 DTons of combat sub-craft. In High Guard this requires a little under 6,000 DTons. You'd want at least one, ideally two launch tubes at 1,250 DTons each. I think you could make a credible attempt at a 30,000 DTon interpretation of Nimitz. -- Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com>