refuelling... not at a gas giant
Timothy Collinson
(10 Oct 2020 19:16 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 00:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(11 Oct 2020 00:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(11 Oct 2020 00:59 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 05:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(11 Oct 2020 06:31 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 06:34 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(11 Oct 2020 06:46 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 07:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Kelly St. Clair
(11 Oct 2020 07:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
James Catchpole
(11 Oct 2020 09:02 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant Thomas RUX (11 Oct 2020 17:28 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 18:15 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Thomas RUX
(11 Oct 2020 18:48 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Phil Pugliese
(12 Oct 2020 17:43 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Cian Witherspoon
(12 Oct 2020 18:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Thomas Jones-Low
(12 Oct 2020 18:01 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Thomas RUX
(12 Oct 2020 20:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
James Catchpole
(11 Oct 2020 02:58 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
kaladorn@xxxxxx
(11 Oct 2020 03:25 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
James Catchpole
(11 Oct 2020 04:33 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Rupert Boleyn
(11 Oct 2020 06:07 UTC)
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Re: [TML] refuelling... not at a gas giant
Timothy Collinson
(11 Oct 2020 12:49 UTC)
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Hi Rupert, > On 10/11/2020 12:10 AM Rupert Boleyn <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 11Oct2020 1945, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote: > > Water can't be *much* more compact than LH2 drawn from said water. > > You're losing a crap lot of weight from the O2. I suppose it is > > possible that H20(l) can be more compact than H2(l) . > One tonne of liquid hydrogen takes up forteen cubic metres of volume. > Nine tonnes of water include one tonne of hydrogen, and has a volume of > nine cubic metres. You get about 1.55 times as much hydrogen into the > same volume, but the mass per quantity of hydrogen is nine times as > great. In CT, MgT and a number of other rule sets spaceships care about > volume, not mass, so water is useful if the referee is willing to go > with it. The downside is that it's very definitely unrefined fuel, even > if the ref is generous (I simply disallow using water as jump fuel), and > carrying it and then refining it requires a refinery/purifier, time, and > a tank to hold the water as well as one to hold fuel. > Do you allow the use of the gases skimmed from a gas giant as unrefined jump fuel? Do you allow the use of melting icy comets down as unrefined jump fuel? Unrefined jump fuel has consequences per the Traveller rules. I recall, but as usual, I can not find the text that indicates how long it takes to convert the unrefined fuel in water into refined fuel. Tom Rux