HIWG CD Notes
Jeff Zeitlin
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Kelly St. Clair
(07 Sep 2020 03:38 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
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Brett Kruger
(07 Sep 2020 09:45 UTC)
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Brett Kruger
(07 Sep 2020 10:16 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(07 Sep 2020 13:40 UTC)
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Zane Healy
(07 Sep 2020 13:57 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(07 Sep 2020 14:02 UTC)
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Zane Healy
(07 Sep 2020 15:27 UTC)
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Brett Kruger
(08 Sep 2020 11:21 UTC)
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Brett Kruger
(08 Sep 2020 10:50 UTC)
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Thomas Jones-Low
(07 Sep 2020 11:10 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(07 Sep 2020 13:56 UTC)
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Zane Healy
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Thomas RUX
(07 Sep 2020 13:43 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(07 Sep 2020 13:59 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(07 Sep 2020 16:18 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(07 Sep 2020 16:12 UTC)
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OFF-LIST Re: HIWG CD Notes
Jeff Zeitlin
(07 Sep 2020 18:14 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(07 Sep 2020 18:30 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(08 Sep 2020 11:02 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(08 Sep 2020 19:11 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(08 Sep 2020 04:52 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(08 Sep 2020 19:15 UTC)
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Brett Kruger
(08 Sep 2020 11:47 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(09 Sep 2020 09:09 UTC)
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Brett Kruger
(09 Sep 2020 11:07 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(09 Sep 2020 11:23 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(09 Sep 2020 13:19 UTC)
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Jeff Zeitlin
(09 Sep 2020 14:09 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(09 Sep 2020 16:23 UTC)
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ewan@xxxxxx
(11 Sep 2020 00:23 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(11 Sep 2020 07:55 UTC)
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ewan@xxxxxx
(11 Sep 2020 22:26 UTC)
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Kelly St. Clair
(11 Sep 2020 23:33 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(12 Sep 2020 00:43 UTC)
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Thomas RUX
(12 Sep 2020 02:36 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(12 Sep 2020 03:48 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(12 Sep 2020 08:20 UTC)
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Phil Pugliese
(12 Sep 2020 23:07 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(14 Sep 2020 13:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(15 Sep 2020 13:54 UTC)
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The 'Vilani Way' was [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(15 Sep 2020 02:27 UTC)
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Richard Aiken
(15 Sep 2020 04:13 UTC)
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Re: The 'Vilani Way' was [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(15 Sep 2020 04:29 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes Kelly St. Clair (12 Sep 2020 08:29 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(12 Sep 2020 08:44 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Jeff Zeitlin
(11 Sep 2020 10:57 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Deep Shadows - was HIWG CD Notes
Peter Vernon
(11 Sep 2020 21:58 UTC)
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RE: [TML] Deep Shadows - was HIWG CD Notes
ewan@xxxxxx
(11 Sep 2020 22:37 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Deep Shadows - was HIWG CD Notes
Peter Vernon
(11 Sep 2020 23:22 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(09 Sep 2020 21:03 UTC)
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Timothy Collinson
(10 Sep 2020 05:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(10 Sep 2020 06:34 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(10 Sep 2020 08:32 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(10 Sep 2020 17:10 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(10 Sep 2020 08:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Timothy Collinson
(10 Sep 2020 08:31 UTC)
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kaladorn@xxxxxx
(09 Sep 2020 13:09 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(09 Sep 2020 20:54 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Timothy Collinson
(09 Sep 2020 20:11 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Timothy Collinson
(09 Sep 2020 21:21 UTC)
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Re: [TML] HIWG CD Notes
Phil Pugliese
(09 Sep 2020 20:47 UTC)
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On 9/11/2020 8:48 PM, Phil Pugliese - philpugliese at yahoo.com (via tml list) wrote: > Of course, but I'm speaking to the period AFTER the ZS 'surrendered'. > > As the 2I spread the info concerning a 'New Way' it would only be > natural that many folks, non-solomani folks, would want to jump on the > winner's bandwagon. > > That's why I can't see that there's very much of, except in a few cases, > a star-spanning traditional vilani social structure still around by 1100 3I. > > It's just too inefficient to compete & has been for the thousands of > years since they contacted the terrans. A case could be made (and probably would be, by Vilani traditionalists - but I repeat myself) that "the old system was working /just fine/, as it had for thousands of years ... but no, you had to tinker, to experiment, to try the 'New Way.' And it /failed/, and that's how we got the Long Night. And that's why we don't change what /works/. If we'd just stuck with the old ways, none of this would have happened." Which is bullshit, of course - the ZS was already starting to crack and fail under its own weight and age before the Terrans ever showed up - but to a certain sort, it makes a convenient excuse / scapegoat, a "proof" of why "reckless" changes are always bad and good old Vilani conservatism is the truth and the light. -- --------------- Kelly St. Clair xxxxxx@efn.org