Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (22 Aug 2020 18:52 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (23 Aug 2020 22:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes kaladorn@xxxxxx (23 Aug 2020 04:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (23 Aug 2020 23:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Aug 2020 00:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (25 Aug 2020 11:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Phil Pugliese (25 Aug 2020 03:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Thomas Jones-Low (25 Aug 2020 04:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Rupert Boleyn (25 Aug 2020 04:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Aug 2020 05:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Kelly St. Clair (25 Aug 2020 07:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Timothy Collinson (25 Aug 2020 09:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Alex Goodwin (25 Aug 2020 15:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Timothy Collinson (25 Aug 2020 15:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Alex Goodwin (25 Aug 2020 15:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Timothy Collinson (25 Aug 2020 15:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Postmark (25 Aug 2020 19:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (25 Aug 2020 15:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Timothy Collinson (25 Aug 2020 16:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Alex Goodwin (25 Aug 2020 16:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes Jeff Zeitlin (25 Aug 2020 17:06 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Aug 2020 18:39 UTC)
[TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) Kelly St. Clair (26 Aug 2020 05:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Kelly St. Clair (26 Aug 2020 05:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Kelly St. Clair (26 Aug 2020 05:36 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) David Johnson (28 Aug 2020 03:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Aug 2020 04:19 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) David Johnson (29 Aug 2020 03:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Aug 2020 05:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) David Johnson (29 Aug 2020 18:17 UTC)
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Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Kelly St. Clair (30 Aug 2020 20:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Aug 2020 20:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Jeff Zeitlin (30 Aug 2020 21:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Phil Pugliese (30 Aug 2020 21:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts David Johnson (30 Aug 2020 22:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Rupert Boleyn (31 Aug 2020 00:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Thomas Jones-Low (30 Aug 2020 20:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Jeff Zeitlin (30 Aug 2020 21:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts David Johnson (30 Aug 2020 23:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Phil Pugliese (30 Aug 2020 23:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Rupert Boleyn (31 Aug 2020 00:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Rupert Boleyn (06 Sep 2020 02:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Kenneth Barns (06 Sep 2020 11:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Timothy Collinson (06 Sep 2020 11:40 UTC)
Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts Jim Catchpole (06 Sep 2020 12:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game (was: UWPs) David Johnson (01 Sep 2020 01:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game Hubert Figuiere (28 Aug 2020 15:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game Phil Pugliese (28 Aug 2020 16:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game Timothy Collinson (28 Aug 2020 16:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game Jeff Zeitlin (28 Aug 2020 16:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Last Century Game kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Aug 2020 17:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs kaladorn@xxxxxx (26 Aug 2020 06:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Phil Pugliese (26 Aug 2020 17:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Aug 2020 02:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) kaladorn@xxxxxx (26 Aug 2020 06:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Aug 2020 16:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) Christopher Sean Hilton (27 Aug 2020 16:37 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Aug 2020 17:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) David Johnson (28 Aug 2020 03:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) Timothy Collinson (28 Aug 2020 10:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Thomas Jones-Low (28 Aug 2020 12:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Christopher Sean Hilton (28 Aug 2020 15:46 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Aug 2020 16:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs Timothy Collinson (28 Aug 2020 16:50 UTC)
When RPG's become CRPG's... Phil Pugliese (28 Aug 2020 22:05 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Thomas RUX (29 Aug 2020 23:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Thomas RUX (29 Aug 2020 23:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Phil Pugliese (30 Aug 2020 00:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Thomas RUX (30 Aug 2020 02:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Phil Pugliese (29 Aug 2020 23:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Hubert Figuiere (30 Aug 2020 00:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] When RPG's become CRPG's... Thomas RUX (30 Aug 2020 02:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) David Johnson (29 Aug 2020 03:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) kaladorn@xxxxxx (29 Aug 2020 05:08 UTC)
Sig file (was: UWPs) David Johnson (30 Aug 2020 03:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Sig file (was: UWPs) kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Aug 2020 04:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] UWPs (was: Alternate Starport Codes) Timothy Collinson (31 Aug 2020 10:13 UTC)
Re: [TML] Alternate Starport Codes kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Aug 2020 05:50 UTC)

Re: [TML] Balkanization and other Book 3 Gov'ts David Johnson 30 Aug 2020 23:07 UTC

Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:

> 	I have as as summary from an article by Marc Miller as published in High Passage issue 5, titled Governments in Traveller which explains the reasoning behind the government codes:

Have always wanted to track down a copy of that article!

> The original reason for these classifications is to better describe the characters interactions with the world governments. They do not deal with kings or presidents or heads of state; they deal with individual members of broad government mechanisms; they deal with office holders and employees whose attitudes and actions are shaped by the type of government they serve. As a result, travellers are rarely interested in the upper reaches of government; they want to know what they can expect from the governmental structure at their own level.

Yeah, I've heard that perspective before, and it makes sense for something like "company / corporate" and maybe "religious dictatorship" and "no government" and perhaps even "balkanization" but in general it's always seemed to me like a bit of ~post hoc~ rationalization. The described distinctions between a "charismatic dictator" and a "non-charismatic leader" don't seem to make a lot of sense from player-character perspective. Neither does the difference between "self-perpetuating oligarchy" and "charismatic oligarchy." And how do player-character interactions look different on a world with a "participating democracy" as opposed to a "representative democracy"?

> 	If you want a more political science type list of governments, I recommend the list provided by GURPS Space 3rd edition, and as copied into GURPS Traveller Core rules, and expounded upon in GT:First In.

I must admit I haven't played close attention to these but they mostly seem like the same old government types, determined in a similar manner including the +DM for population, just with slightly different names. Heck, the ~First In~ text for "Technocracy"--also coded as "5"--even reads a "Technocracy represents what ~Traveller~ calls a 'feudal technocracy.'"

> 	I have a set of house rules for T5 to expand the description of the government, including details of their inner workings. Which I should publish as some point. It's about 6 pages, I wonder if Jeff would be interested.

As Jeff has said, "Send it in!" ;)

Cheers,

David
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