Hi Alex,

Thank you for clarifying that used used GT as your campaigns timeline. Since I've bought the FFE GT and JTAS CD-ROMs it is easier to look up the material.

> On 08/28/2020 10:04 AM Alex Goodwin <xxxxxx@multitel.com.au> wrote:
>
> Apologies for length - the tail of this post is a timeline

No apologies needed, especially if the timeline is a better match for your TU than what is in CT and MT. I'll note that I found two different dates in Donald's Timeline in addition to the one in CT Alien Module 6.

> On 29/8/20 2:08 am, Thomas RUX wrote:
> > Morning (7:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time) kaladorn and Alex,
> >
> > My apologies for the delay in replying unfortunately one of the factors is that I'm just not as fast as I used to be in replying.
>
> Da Famous Tom R,
>
> Growing old disgracefully?

I'm a boat sailor which means I was disgraceful and probably irreverent to boot a long time before.
>
> > <snip>
>
> >>> I figured the IW period put us at about the point where we could,
> >>> reasonably, start to see things in other star systems. That might also
> >>> imply a minimum TL to be doing that effectively (you can try earlier,
> >>> but your resolution and accuity go up as your sensors get better). And
> >>> of course, being able to mix optical with various multi-spectral
> >>> sensors and any emissions you detect would help in determining what
> >>> systems contained.
> >>>
> >>> I think by about 2200, assuming we don't go all Deep Impact,
> >>> Interstellar, Independence Day, or Twilight 2020, we ought to be able
> >>> to see into other systems with a decent amount of return on the time
> >>> and effort. Of course, nothing takes away the fact that any intel you
> >>> get will be (distance in light years) years old by the time you see
> >>> it. Your intel may be very accurate, but the speed of light says it
> >>> may be quite dated (which means jumping in could find something
> >>> entirely other).
> >>> <snip>
> >>> Tom B / kaladorn
> >>> (I will sign like this hereafter just to be distinct from Thomas Rux)

> > I thought Tom Rux was distinct from TomB?

> If you start going meta, we'll be here all bloody week.
> >> Don't I feel like a right pillock.
> >>
> >> That'll learn me not to hack and post to the TML at the same time - at
> >> least for the next 20 minutes or so.
> >>
> >> Seems that writing an invariant checker pings some of the same neurons
> >> in my noggin as distinguishing between Da Famous Tom R and Tom B/kaladorn.
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that PA is in the _early_ IW period - the TC has just
> >> formed, those who were in primary school when Strider et al buggered off
> >> have yet to reach flag rank, there are no known Terran-Vilani hybrids,
> >> the AZS is still quite capable of administering a proper and thorough
> >> shoeing to the TCN, etc.
> > Alex can you  provide the MgT books that have a timeline I can look at please
> >
> > Digging into the CT books Alien Module 6 (AM6) Solomani, MT Referee's Companion (MTRC) and MT Imperial Encyclopedia (MTIE) provides the following dates. I cross checked with Donal McKinney's Timeline too.
> >
> > Imperial -2508 UNSCA established (AM6 p. 12)
> > Imperial -2431 J1 developed (AM6 p. 12)
> > Imperial -2408 1st IW begins (AMD6 p. 12 and AD 2118 AM6 p. 5)
> > Imperial -2400 UN change to United Worlds (AM6 p. 5)
> > Imperial -2400 1st IW ends (AM6 p. 5)
> > Imperial -2398 Terran Confederation founded (CT AM6 p. 12)
> > Imperial -2398 Terrans discover Jump 2 (MTRC p. 34)
> > Imperial -2210 Terrans discover Jump 3 (MTRC p. 34)
> > Imperial -2204 Terran Confederation dissolved (CT AM6 p. 5)
> > Imperial -2204 The Rule of Man (CT AM6 p. 12)
> >
> > Tom Rux
> > -----
>
> For initial timeline, I've been using GURPS Traveller: Interstellar Wars
> - I've been mining the trade systems out of it (as suggested by
> Collision Collinson), and have hoicked the canon timeline out the window
> in 2125/2126 AD with Milford, Moustache et al discovering the rogue gas
> dwarf Teapot (an IMTU production), permitting a Terran breakout from the
> Terran pocket over 100 years ahead of when it happened canonically.
>
> It seems that GT:IW diverges somewhat on the timing from the older material:
>
> (Taking Imperial 0 as 4521 AD - refs are GT:IW unless noted)
>
> 2015 AD / -2506 Imperial: UNSCA established (p21)
>
> 2052 AD / -2469 Imperial: Terran development of contragrav (p22)
>
> 2064 AD / -2457 Imperial: Terran development of reactionless thrusters (p22)
>
> 2088 AD / -2433 Imperial: Terran development of J-0, become major race (p22)
>
> 2092 AD / -2429 Imperial: Terran development of J-1 (p22)
>
> 2097 AD / -2424 Imperial: Strider et al bugger off to Barnard (p23)
>
> 2114 AD / -2407 Imperial: IW 1 breaks out (p25)
>
> 2122 AD / -2399 Imperial: IW 1 ends (p25), UN change of name to United
> Worlds Organisation (p26)
>
> 2124 AD / -2397 Imperial: Terran development of J-2 (p26), UWO change of
> name to Terran Confederation (p26)
>
> 2125 AD / -2396 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo breaks out (p27)
>
> 2134 AD / -2387 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo ends (p27)
>
> 2145 AD / -2376 Imperial: IW 3 breaks out (p27)
>
> 2148 AD / -2373 Imperial: AZS fleet bombardment of Terra (p28)
>
> 2156 AD / -2365 Imperial: Nusku captured by Terran forces (p29), IW 3
> ends (p28)
>
> 2173 AD / -2348 Imperial: IW 4 breaks out (p32)
>
> 2175 AD / -2347 Imperial: ZS forces recapture Nusku (p32)
>
> 2176 AD / -2345 Imperial: IW 4 ends (p32), IW 5 breaks out (p32)
>
> 2183 AD / -2332 Imperial: Terran forces recapture Nusku (p32)
>
> 2186 AD / -2335 Imperial: IW 5 ends (p32)
>
> 2195 AD / -2326 Imperial: IW 6 breaks out (p33)
>
> 2201 AD / -2320 Imperial: IW 6 ends (p33), IW 7 breaks out (p34)
>
> 2206 AD / -2314 Imperial: Alternate In-text date for IW 7 breakout (p34)
>
> 2214 AD / -2307 Imperial: IW 7 ends (p34)
>
> 2228 AD / -2293 Imperial: IW 8 breaks out (p35)
>
> 2231 AD / -2288 Imperial: Terran forces under Manuel Albadassadawi
> capture Dingir, capital of the ZS Rim Province
>
> Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of J-3 (p36)
>
> Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of meson weapons (p36)
>
> 2238 AD / -2283 Imperial: IW 8 ends (p35), TCN overhauled to utilise J-3
> and meson bang bangs (p 36)
>
> 2242 AD / -2279 Imperial: Manuel Albadassadawi takes command of TCN
>
> Between 2238 AD and 2245 AD: ZS Core Fleet dispatched from Vland to
> wtfpwn upstart Terrans (p36)
>
> 2245 AD / -2276 Imperial: ZS Core fleet reaches Shulgiasu
>
> 2246 AD / -2275 Imperial: IW 9 breaks out (p36)
>
> 2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Albadassadawi deploys meson-armed J-3 ships
> against ZS Core Fleet and delivers wtfpwnage (p37), IW 9 ends (p36),
> Albadassadawi retires from TCN (p37)
>
> 2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Continuous warfare breaks out between Terran
> Confederation and Ziru Sirka
>
> 2288 AD / -2233 Imperial: Terran forces conquer former Rim Province,
> former provincial governor dies as honoured guest of TCN (p39)
>
> 2303 AD / -2218 Imperial: Ziru Sirka collapses/surrenders to Terran
> Confederation (p40)
>
> 2317 AD / -2204 Imperial: TCN Secretariat puts pants on head, transfers
> rule of former ZS territories directly to Terra (MGT1 AM 5: Solomani, pp
> 57-59), brassed-off TCN head honcho Hiroshi Estigarribia mounts coup,
> dissolves TCN, declares 2I/Rule Of Man (MGT1 AM5: Solomani, p59)
>
> Alex

Tom Rux