Apologies for length - the tail of this post is a timeline

On 29/8/20 2:08 am, Thomas RUX wrote:
> Morning (7:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time) kaladorn and Alex,
>
> My apologies for the delay in replying unfortunately one of the factors is that I'm just not as fast as I used to be in replying.

Da Famous Tom R,

Growing old disgracefully?

> <snip>

>>> I figured the IW period put us at about the point where we could,
>>> reasonably, start to see things in other star systems. That might also
>>> imply a minimum TL to be doing that effectively (you can try earlier,
>>> but your resolution and accuity go up as your sensors get better). And
>>> of course, being able to mix optical with various multi-spectral
>>> sensors and any emissions you detect would help in determining what
>>> systems contained.
>>>
>>> I think by about 2200, assuming we don't go all Deep Impact,
>>> Interstellar, Independence Day, or Twilight 2020, we ought to be able
>>> to see into other systems with a decent amount of return on the time
>>> and effort. Of course, nothing takes away the fact that any intel you
>>> get will be (distance in light years) years old by the time you see
>>> it. Your intel may be very accurate, but the speed of light says it
>>> may be quite dated (which means jumping in could find something
>>> entirely other).
>>> <snip>
>>> Tom B / kaladorn
>>> (I will sign like this hereafter just to be distinct from Thomas Rux)
> I thought Tom Rux was distinct from TomB?
If you start going meta, we'll be here all bloody week.
>> Don't I feel like a right pillock.
>>
>> That'll learn me not to hack and post to the TML at the same time - at
>> least for the next 20 minutes or so.
>>
>> Seems that writing an invariant checker pings some of the same neurons
>> in my noggin as distinguishing between Da Famous Tom R and Tom B/kaladorn.
>>
>> Keep in mind that PA is in the _early_ IW period - the TC has just
>> formed, those who were in primary school when Strider et al buggered off
>> have yet to reach flag rank, there are no known Terran-Vilani hybrids,
>> the AZS is still quite capable of administering a proper and thorough
>> shoeing to the TCN, etc.
> Alex can you  provide the MgT books that have a timeline I can look at please
>
> Digging into the CT books Alien Module 6 (AM6) Solomani, MT Referee's Companion (MTRC) and MT Imperial Encyclopedia (MTIE) provides the following dates. I cross checked with Donal McKinney's Timeline too.
>
> Imperial -2508 UNSCA established (AM6 p. 12)
> Imperial -2431 J1 developed (AM6 p. 12)
> Imperial -2408 1st IW begins (AMD 6 p. 12 and AD 2118 AM6 p. 5)
> Imperial -2400 UN change to United Worlds (AM6 p. 5)
> Imperial -2400 1st IW ends (AM6 p. 5)
> Imperial -2398 Terran Confederation founded (CT AM6 p. 12)
> Imperial -2398 Terrans discover Jump 2 (MTRC p. 34)
> Imperial -2210 Terrans discover Jump 3 (MTRC p. 34)
> Imperial -2204 Terran Confederation dissolved (CT AM6 p. 5)
> Imperial -2204 The Rule of Man (CT AM6 p. 12)
>
> Tom Rux
> -----

For initial timeline, I've been using GURPS Traveller: Interstellar Wars
- I've been mining the trade systems out of it (as suggested by
Collision Collinson), and have hoicked the canon timeline out the window
in 2125/2126 AD with Milford, Moustache et al discovering the rogue gas
dwarf Teapot (an IMTU production), permitting a Terran breakout from the
Terran pocket over 100 years ahead of when it happened canonically.

It seems that GT:IW diverges somewhat on the timing from the older material:

(Taking Imperial 0 as 4521 AD - refs are GT:IW unless noted)

2015 AD / -2506 Imperial: UNSCA established (p21)

2052 AD / -2469 Imperial: Terran development of contragrav (p22)

2064 AD / -2457 Imperial: Terran development of reactionless thrusters (p22)

2088 AD / -2433 Imperial: Terran development of J-0, become major race (p22)

2092 AD / -2429 Imperial: Terran development of J-1 (p22)

2097 AD / -2424 Imperial: Strider et al bugger off to Barnard (p23)

2114 AD / -2407 Imperial: IW 1 breaks out (p25)

2122 AD / -2399 Imperial: IW 1 ends (p25), UN change of name to United
Worlds Organisation (p26)

2124 AD / -2397 Imperial: Terran development of J-2 (p26), UWO change of
name to Terran Confederation (p26)

2125 AD / -2396 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo breaks out (p27)

2134 AD / -2387 Imperial: IW 2: Electric Boogaloo ends (p27)

2145 AD / -2376 Imperial: IW 3 breaks out (p27)

2148 AD / -2373 Imperial: AZS fleet bombardment of Terra (p28)

2156 AD / -2365 Imperial: Nusku captured by Terran forces (p29), IW 3
ends (p28)

2173 AD / -2348 Imperial: IW 4 breaks out (p32)

2175 AD / -2347 Imperial: ZS forces recapture Nusku (p32)

2176 AD / -2345 Imperial: IW 4 ends (p32), IW 5 breaks out (p32)

2183 AD / -2332 Imperial: Terran forces recapture Nusku (p32)

2186 AD / -2335 Imperial: IW 5 ends (p32)

2195 AD / -2326 Imperial: IW 6 breaks out (p33)

2201 AD / -2320 Imperial: IW 6 ends (p33), IW 7 breaks out (p34)

2206 AD / -2314 Imperial: Alternate In-text date for IW 7 breakout (p34)

2214 AD / -2307 Imperial: IW 7 ends (p34)

2228 AD / -2293 Imperial: IW 8 breaks out (p35)

2231 AD / -2288 Imperial: Terran forces under Manuel Albadassadawi
capture Dingir, capital of the ZS Rim Province

Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of J-3 (p36)

Date unknown, but within IW 8: Terran development of meson weapons (p36)

2238 AD / -2283 Imperial: IW 8 ends (p35), TCN overhauled to utilise J-3
and meson bang bangs (p 36)

2242 AD / -2279 Imperial: Manuel Albadassadawi takes command of TCN

Between 2238 AD and 2245 AD: ZS Core Fleet dispatched from Vland to
wtfpwn upstart Terrans (p36)

2245 AD / -2276 Imperial: ZS Core fleet reaches Shulgiasu

2246 AD / -2275 Imperial: IW 9 breaks out (p36)

2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Albadassadawi deploys meson-armed J-3 ships
against ZS Core Fleet and delivers wtfpwnage (p37), IW 9 ends (p36),
Albadassadawi retires from TCN (p37)

2256 AD / -2265 Imperial: Continuous warfare breaks out between Terran
Confederation and Ziru Sirka

2288 AD / -2233 Imperial: Terran forces conquer former Rim Province,
former provincial governor dies as honoured guest of TCN (p39)

2303 AD / -2218 Imperial: Ziru Sirka collapses/surrenders to Terran
Confederation (p40)

2317 AD / -2204 Imperial: TCN Secretariat puts pants on head, transfers
rule of former ZS territories directly to Terra (MGT1 AM 5: Solomani, pp
57-59), brassed-off TCN head honcho Hiroshi Estigarribia mounts coup,
dissolves TCN, declares 2I/Rule Of Man (MGT1 AM5: Solomani, p59)

Alex