Morning (7:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time) kaladorn and Alex,

My apologies for the delay in replying unfortunately one of the factors is that I'm just not as fast as I used to be in replying.

> On 08/23/2020 2:56 AM Alex Goodwin <xxxxxx@multitel.com.au> wrote:
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> On 23/8/20 7:26 pm, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote:
> > Just a mild point Alex:
> >
> > There's 2 Toms (at least) - myself (kaladorn/TomB) and the inestimable
> > Thomas Rux (retired Submariner and great entertainer of young 'uns and
> > CT comparative historian).

I am indeed a retired boat sailor and make an attempt to entertain young'ums. I'm not sure the descriptor of historian is applicable, but thank you for the addition. (I'm thinking more along the lines of a pain in the blank. The blank can be filled in as one see's fit.)

> >
> > I have worked with something akin to sonar, but it was monitoring
> > surge currents in an industrial chiller system with an ultrasonic
> > sensor (non-invasive) in a communications cable plant (I was
> > developing the monitoring system). Tom Rux, on the other hand, has
> > jammed himself into a sardine can with a whole other bunch of those
> > afraid of open spaces so that they could cruise the seven seas. That
> > is a whole other level... ;)

I was not jammed into a sardine can, it was a sewer pipe and there where only about 135 or 100 others onboard.

I am not nor any of my shipmates afraid of open spaces, we figured having a mobile foxhole with some armor was a better option. Of course the downside is that if thing got hot everyone was out to gets. ANother downside is that the ocean is always out to get you.

> >
> > I figured the IW period put us at about the point where we could,
> > reasonably, start to see things in other star systems. That might also
> > imply a minimum TL to be doing that effectively (you can try earlier,
> > but your resolution and accuity go up as your sensors get better). And
> > of course, being able to mix optical with various multi-spectral
> > sensors and any emissions you detect would help in determining what
> > systems contained.
> >
> > I think by about 2200, assuming we don't go all Deep Impact,
> > Interstellar, Independence Day, or Twilight 2020, we ought to be able
> > to see into other systems with a decent amount of return on the time
> > and effort. Of course, nothing takes away the fact that any intel you
> > get will be (distance in light years) years old by the time you see
> > it. Your intel may be very accurate, but the speed of light says it
> > may be quite dated (which means jumping in could find something
> > entirely other).
> > <snip>
> > Tom B / kaladorn
> > (I will sign like this hereafter just to be distinct from Thomas Rux)

I thought Tom Rux was distinct from TomB?

> >
> Don't I feel like a right pillock.
>
> That'll learn me not to hack and post to the TML at the same time - at
> least for the next 20 minutes or so.
>
> Seems that writing an invariant checker pings some of the same neurons
> in my noggin as distinguishing between Da Famous Tom R and Tom B/kaladorn.
>
> Keep in mind that PA is in the _early_ IW period - the TC has just
> formed, those who were in primary school when Strider et al buggered off
> have yet to reach flag rank, there are no known Terran-Vilani hybrids,
> the AZS is still quite capable of administering a proper and thorough
> shoeing to the TCN, etc.

Alex can you  provide the MgT books that have a timeline I can look at please

Digging into the CT books Alien Module 6 (AM6) Solomani, MT Referee's Companion (MTRC) and MT Imperial Encyclopedia (MTIE) provides the following dates. I cross checked with Donal McKinney's Timeline too.

Imperial -2508 UNSCA established (AM6 p. 12)
Imperial -2431 J1 developed (AM6 p. 12)
Imperial -2408 1st IW begins (AMD 6 p. 12 and AD 2118 AM6 p. 5)
Imperial -2400 UN change to United Worlds (AM6 p. 5)
Imperial -2400 1st IW ends (AM6 p. 5)
Imperial -2398 Terran Confederation founded (CT AM6 p. 12)
Imperial -2398 Terrans discover Jump 2 (MTRC p. 34)
Imperial -2210 Terrans discover Jump 3 (MTRC p. 34)
Imperial -2204 Terran Confederation dissolved (CT AM6 p. 5)
Imperial -2204 The Rule of Man (CT AM6 p. 12)

Tom Rux