On 23/8/20 7:32 am, Thomas RUX wrote:
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>> There we will have to agree to disagree - for consistency with prior
>> PA:VT use, I've ruled (and used) that the previous "take" had already
>> been fully exploited in the corresponding scan.  I didn't bother coming
>> up with reasons, and no one asked.
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>> If you want more data above and beyond that previous scan, you need to
>> go take another look-see (although even a low-grade fool will use the
>> prior sensor take to guide their next search(es) ).
> My USN rating was Sonar Technician Submarines and my passive sonar equipment received al the sound energy in the water. On the stack I would be listening to the noises trying to detect anything that sounded like a ship's screw/propeller and looking at the Bearing Time Record (BTR) that used supposedly gun powder impregnated paper to record information to see if there was a line indicating a noise that was probably below my hearing as a back-up. We had three analysis systems that were being watched for signals that the operators and the passive systems did not detect. Actually, we had four but the last one was used to refine sound characteristics. Unfortunately, all my boats were built in the 1960s so we only had the BTR paper, reel to reel tapes, logs, and the a similarly impregnated paper from the fourth analysis system as permanent records.
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> A spaceship's or starship's passive sensors are gathering all sorts of energy that I would think is processed through the ship's computer using a software package as well as storing the raw data. In the case of Da Boote the search parameters would be setup to determine any sources of fuel. Once in a system the sensors are still collecting information that may or may not be analyzed at the time.

Da Famous Tom B,

For reasons probably relating to lack of sufficient coffee, I read that
as "curried gun powder-impregnated".

My major concern for ruling as I did was having enough Early Installment
Weirdness already, given how I've spruiked rational knowability
elsewhere.  As with Jonesy below, I wanted _knowing how to drive_ the
toys to be at least as important as _having_ the fancy toys.  In this
particular case, they had civspec sensors (-2 to sensor rolls) on top of
a quirk adding a further -1 to such rolls.

Per the MGT2 survey rules, scan time was 2D6 days.

If some wombat hadn't already blundered past and ruled the other way,
I'd certainly bow to your professional background (and the cinematic
example of Ronald "Jonesy" Jones in _The Hunt For Red October_).

I'm not sure if Badass-Moustache was explicitly looking for fuel sources
_per se_ - he just quit looking as soon as he had enough evidence (using
JOAT 3 to stand in for science (planetology) ) to conclusively infer at
least one fuel source. 

The exception was discovering the rogue gas dwarf Teapot (Solomani Rim
2530) - he had managed to get a Survey Index of 12 from long range, but
I wanted to mix things up a bit (as he was scanning a
theoretically-empty parsec), so gave him 8 sensor blips that _might_ be
something and had to be further refined. So Badass-Moustache dug out all
the accumulated data and conclusions from Milford's Run, strained it
though The Moustache Of Power, and had to re-analyse those blips in
light of his accumulated experience, data and conclusions.

Kaladorn,

PA:VT took place in 2125-2126 AD - a little over a hundred years from
now in an ATL, after a different set of global crises and breaking out
into space big time c 2050s (gravitics, reactionless thrusters), Terrans
becoming a major race in 2088, and "reaching the stars, to find humanity
already there" in 2097.

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>>>> As for not being able to find a "system contents table" in the MGT2
>>>> core, you're not alone.
>>> What a relief to know that I have not simply overlooked the table. Thank you for the information.
>> Glad you said that.  If you said "going crazy" or the like, I may not
>> have been as much help. :)
> I am a bit crazy since I volunteered to serve on a ship that purposely sank itself and resurfaced at least one more time than it sank. ;-)
No comment. ;-)
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>> Looks like, needing to RTFM, I sit corrected.  As T5 is the most recent
>> Word of Miller, what does that say?
> T5 PDF Core Book 3 Worlds and Adventures p. 24 WorldGen Basics appears to me has a similar table as the one in CT LBB 3. Type X: Quality None; Yards blank space; Repairs No; Downport No; High Port blank space; Bases No Bases.
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> T5 PDF Core Book 3 Worlds and Adventures p. 24 Fuel at Starports and Spaceports Table has a note for Starports Types E** and X** and Spaceports H** and Y**. The note is **Unrefined may be available as local environmental water or ice: Raw Fuel (Water) from oceans. Raw Fuel (Ice) from Ice Caps or Snowpack, Ice Asteroids or Comets. Raw Fuel (Gas) from Gas Giants.
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> Tom Rux
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 Thanks for digging that up, Tom.  I definitely sit corrected.