On 21/8/20 8:46 am, Thomas RUX wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
>> On 08/19/2020 8:11 AM Alex Goodwin <xxxxxx@multitel.com.au> wrote:
> Snip
>> Tom,
>>
>> Are you talking about before, or after, The Goofy Holler?
>>
>> Beforehand, it was Drake's cheapness - it worked out cheaper (to tune of
>> 10k per parsec of fuel), and left less paperwork for Lannie Plod to
>> follow up in pursuit of sneaky buggers.  Drake had the fuel for 2x J-2
>> aboard, and damned if he wouldn't use it.
>>
>> After the Holler, the only choice El Capitane, Badass Badass-Moustache,
>> et al HAD was wilderness refuelling (and they were very happy for their
>> organic fuel refiners) - IIRC, Drake was the first sophont to set foot
>> on four separate worlds.  They rapidly evolved a marked preference for
>> ocean refuelling (power failure had far less interesting consequences),
>> but that was contingent on detecting terrestrial planets to refuel _from_.
>>
>> After all, they were trying to get home, not survey each system. If
>> Badass-Moustache had rumbled a gas or ice giant and no terrestrial
>> worlds, then so be it, they're skimming (Rosa's Pilot (spacecraft) skill
>> of 1, 2 or 3 (depending on when they were), her DEX mod of -1, and a -1
>> DM to Pilot checks from ship quirk made this less than routine).
>> <snip>
>>
>> Alex
> I believe that I am thinking about the four landing after Goofy Holler.
>
> When Das Boote drops out of Jump Space in a system that is not in the ship's databanks, Badass-Moustache or some other member of the crew begins to examine and record the information being gathered by the sensors filling in the UPP. In CT LBB 3 1981 the information gathered is any Starports, Naval Bases, Scout Bases, Gas Giants, and planetary information consisting of size, atmosphere, hydrographics, population, government, law level, and TL. The gathering, examining, and recording the data is in my book doing a survey
>
> Until someone lands on a world and records their landing site there is no starport and no provision made for any ship landings which in CT LBB 3 1977 and 1981 would be marked as Type X. After Das Boote lands and Badass-Moustache would update the data file with the landing coordinates upgrading the Starport code to E. CT LBB 6 Scouts 1983 is when the description for Starport Type X went from no starport and no provision made for any ship landings to no starport and generally a red travel zone.
>
> What code is used to initially indicate that there are no starports in the system?
>
> What code is used if Das Boote does not land for fuel, repairs, and or maintenance on any planet in the system?
>
> There are a number of worlds on travellermap.com and Supplement PO3. The Space Atlas at http://zho.berka.com/data/CLASSIC/ have red zone worlds with Type C, D, and E starports.
>
> Tom Rux
> -----

Actually, if you'll check the session writeups, Badass-Moustache
preferred to case the joint from interstellar range, to point of
verifying the existence of a fuel source.

They often didn't get as far as identifying a mainworld - the fuel
source was the big one.  Under MGT2 rules, with how they did it,
rumbling a gas or ice giant took (IIRC) succeeding by 2 on their sensors
roll to case the joint, while rumbling a terrestrial planet with surface
water took succeeding by 4 or more (both on 2d6) against a difficulty of
8.  As the base roll already took 2d6 days (and you couldn't stack the
effect of multiple rolls), Badass-Moustache wasn't willing to trade more
time for difficulty reduction.

If there's genuinely sod-all data either way, ? would seem to be the
appropriate code.  Especially where the Boatload O' Lunatics only
detected a gas or ice giant, jumped to it, refuelled, then set up to
scan the next system along.

Alex