On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 18:04:06 -0500, greg caires <xxxxxx@gmail.com> wrote: >Hang on- the Sappers perform the Rescue function! ... as per _Greg's_ take on the function, in Freelance Traveller, September/October 2019 (https://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/rules/chargen/sappers.html) and July/August 2020 (https://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/rules/chargen/sappers2.html) >-30- >Caires sends via iPhone > >> On Aug 9, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Jeff Zeitlin <xxxxxx@freelancetraveller.com> wrote: >> >> ?I should note that the March/April 2020 issue of Freelance Traveller had >> Benedikt Schwarz's take on SAR. You can read the article in the PDF for >> that issue, or at >> https://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/preproom/starport/03sar.html >> >> I wouldn't object if someone wanted to do a SAR career for Traveller (any >> version), or work up some rules for actually conducting SAR operations as >> [part of] an adventure... >> >> >>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:24:47 -0400, Thomas Jones-Low <xxxxxx@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've just been spending a fair amount of time reading through GT:Starports in >>> pursuit of updating the wiki articles on starports (and connected articles). >>> >>> Also, there was/is an ongoing campaign with the Imperial Scout Rescue service, >>> which may provide ideas and background. >>> 1) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40189 >>> 2) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=40406 >>> 3) http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=41149 >>> >>> Based upon my reading of GT:Starports, the Imperium generally, and the Starport >>> Authority specifically, is tasked only with running the port. Which pushes the >>> idea of a system coast guard service onto the system government itself. Services >>> are paid for by local taxes as the system government has no ability to raise >>> money from the ships conducting trade by Imperial decree. >>> >>> Officially. >>> >>> What is more likely is the local SPA director has several of your really neat >>> designs available to perform specific SAR operations, and do some level of >>> customs work. >>> >>> The Imperium allows worlds to build a local naval force. But given the Imperial >>> Navy outclasses almost anything a local system could build and maintain, and >>> most worlds are far enough from the border that the Imperial Navy should protect >>> them, raising a system guard naval force may sound like a really good idea. >>> Especially if there are colonies or stations on other worlds in the same system. >>> >>> The SPA can't charge post-fact charges for services rendered, but the world >>> government could. >>> >>>> On 8/9/2020 3:50 PM, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> The discussion of the Coast Guards in various places and particularly of the >>>> USCG has led me to wonder what typical system wide rescue and system LE/security >>>> might look like. >>>> >>>> I would assume that such a thing might start to exist once you'd been spacing >>>> for a while and could get out to the various planets and belts and so on with >>>> some ease enough to see some populations out there regularly and on a >>>> sustainable basis. >>>> >>>> So such an entity might start to be relevant around TL-9, but TL-10 would likely >>>> be where it started to be more robust and be justified in the economy and in >>>> security terms. >>>> >>>> SG-SR would have several broad mandates: >>>> >>>> * Law enforcement of system-wide laws. In Imperial space, they could be in >>>> addition to Imperial enforcement, work in conjunction with Imperial >>>> enforcement, or they could even largely shoulder the burden to allow >>>> Imperial assets (other than some inspectors/monitors) to be allocated >>>> elsewhere. Local naval elements could assist SG-SR, be an parallel structure >>>> in terms of this mandate, or direct SG-SR depending on agencies and their >>>> heirarchies. In some particularly peaceful regions, some planets may not >>>> even retain a system navy but instead have an SG-SR. There would be >>>> integration/cooperation generally with local and Imperial law enforcement >>>> around ports-of-entry, stations, and such like. >>>> >>>> * Providing security within the system - investigating crimes beyond the >>>> mainworlds, pursuing and/or deterring piracy or barratry, securing stations, >>>> high ports, and other sensitive system or Imperial assets (details would >>>> vary depending on relationship of planet and Imperial government likely via >>>> the charter that brought the planet into the Imperium). This also would >>>> include security inspections of vessels, checks on the bona fides and >>>> qualifications of ships and their crews, enforcement of safety and traffic >>>> laws at times, and setting up temporary or permanent exclusion zones (to >>>> avoid a danger for one reason, others exist) and for deploying aides to >>>> navigation as necessary and maintaining them. >>>> >>>> * Conducting Intelligence work that falls within the mandate of protecting >>>> ports, shipping, and so on related to system travel and commerce. >>>> >>>> * Search and rescue everywhere but on mainworlds - space search and rescue, >>>> search and rescue on moons, small colonies, space habitats/stations, etc. >>>> throughout the system. >>>> >>>> * In times of conflict, SG-SR vessels and personnel could be seconded to >>>> either the system navy or the Imperial Navy. >>>> >>>> * May be seconded to assist in system-related science (schlepping boffins and >>>> gear around, helping get the boffins near stellar or planetary environments >>>> without losing them, etc). This could include some periodic system surveys >>>> for any changes in the worlds/objects in the system and/or concerns that may >>>> require warnings to be posted. >>>> >>>> What sorts of space-going assets would be involved: >>>> >>>> * Small fast response vessels - 500 tons or less - with a J-2 capacity >>>> primarily used for fast in-system deployment and evacuation of injured to >>>> stations/worlds/etc. that have better and more advanced medical options, and >>>> with a thrust of 3gs or more (once wounded are embarked, no more than 0.75 >>>> or so perceivable gravities would be applied). Likely bearing a turret or >>>> two to deter some threats, but mostly focused on medical response. High >>>> quality sensors and computers would be used to do fast, accurate searches. >>>> There would be one or more modular cutters with casualty evacuation >>>> configurations available. Would have a loaded rack of dropable traffic >>>> beacons and/or sensor platforms to increase search capacity. >>>> >>>> * Medium sized response vessels - Small hospital ship - a J-2 capacity vessel >>>> with thrust of at J-3 (again limited with wounded embarked) and that would >>>> include one or more surgical blocks (ORs, decontam, isolation, ICU and >>>> standard beds, autodocs, nurses, parameds, doctors). A few turrets just for >>>> basic deterrence, a situation room/fleet command capacity so good comms, >>>> decent to high end sensors to help in searches and coordination of larger >>>> responses. Also would have the ability to drop traffic beacons and sensor >>>> platforms. Includes multiple offloading mechanisms (cutters, straight >>>> docking, close-in assisted line crossings, etc). Would respond to more major >>>> incidents or help to coordinate many smaller vessels for a search of a lot >>>> of space/ground. >>>> >>>> * Fast Pursuit Vessels - 500 tons or less. Thrust 6 Gees, Jump 2 for similar >>>> reasons as above, full complement of weapons, high end sensors for pursuing >>>> and tracking vessels and other spacial objects that are of concern related >>>> to security or law enforcement concerns. Includes SG boarding parties who >>>> are specialists in ship boarding and inspection for security reasons. >>>> Includes at least one armed auxilliary able to deploy up to 16 boarders (two >>>> teams). These vessels would be able to help in a search with their sensors >>>> and could help with the security / traffic management during a large >>>> disaster, but would have a primary role in going after fugitives and >>>> inspecting vessels flagged as a potential threat to security. >>>> >>>> * System Tugs - J-2 wth capacity to bring back other ships on the return leg. >>>> May be over 1000 tons. May be smaller ones that can provide a real-space >>>> tow. Their job is to help get damaged or hazardous vessels or objects moved >>>> to safer places for rescue/repair/disposal. >>>> >>>> * Tender - 400 to 600 tons - for deploying and maintaining (including annual >>>> PMs) navigation aides, system sensor buoys, search platforms, science >>>> platforms, and sometimes recovering or fixing in situ smaller SG-SR vessels >>>> that have experienced serious problems that preclude them jumping of >>>> thrusting to a repair destination. >>>> >>>> Funding would have a component derived from all corporations operating in or >>>> passing through the system (a fee charged to ships or enterprises in the system >>>> or passing through), some portion of mainworld and corporate businesses in the >>>> system (because it is a public service), and perhaps in some places, they may >>>> require payments after the fact for their services to help sustain operations. >>>> >>>> THoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ?The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.? ? >>>> Aristotle >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> The Traveller Mailing List >>>> Archives at http://archives.simplelists.com/tml >>>> Report problems to xxxxxx@simplelists.com >>>> To unsubscribe from this list please go to >>>> http://archives.simplelists.com >>>> >> >> ®Traveller is a registered trademark of >> Far Future Enterprises, 1977-2020. 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