Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 04:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (13 Jul 2020 04:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (13 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (13 Jul 2020 13:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (13 Jul 2020 14:16 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 19:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 18:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (13 Jul 2020 20:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Jul 2020 21:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 11:18 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (16 Jul 2020 12:10 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 13:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (16 Jul 2020 14:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (16 Jul 2020 14:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 00:32 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (17 Jul 2020 02:17 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (17 Jul 2020 03:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 09:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (17 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (25 Jul 2020 08:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 12:30 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (25 Jul 2020 14:03 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (25 Jul 2020 16:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (25 Jul 2020 20:29 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (25 Jul 2020 22:15 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 13:08 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 17:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 18:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (27 Jul 2020 20:53 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 21:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 21:47 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 09:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 20:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (27 Jul 2020 21:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (27 Jul 2020 21:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:11 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:28 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 02:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (28 Jul 2020 02:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (28 Jul 2020 15:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 09:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (30 Jul 2020 09:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (02 Aug 2020 11:14 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (02 Aug 2020 22:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (03 Aug 2020 02:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair (03 Aug 2020 02:50 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus James Davies (03 Aug 2020 09:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (02 Aug 2020 16:54 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (30 Jul 2020 10:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 15:44 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 15:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 16:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 17:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (30 Jul 2020 20:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (30 Jul 2020 21:01 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Kelly St. Clair (30 Jul 2020 23:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (31 Jul 2020 06:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 13:07 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (30 Jul 2020 21:33 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 02:41 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (31 Jul 2020 15:02 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (31 Jul 2020 21:54 UTC)
OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (01 Aug 2020 15:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 00:42 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Alex Goodwin (02 Aug 2020 06:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (02 Aug 2020 17:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Aug 2020 17:57 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Ethan McKinney (01 Aug 2020 18:19 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (01 Aug 2020 19:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (05 Aug 2020 10:24 UTC)
Re: [TML] OT: Board gaming - was Re: Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (05 Aug 2020 17:23 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (07 Aug 2020 14:36 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (07 Aug 2020 16:09 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (07 Aug 2020 18:39 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (08 Aug 2020 01:51 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (11 Aug 2020 07:43 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (11 Aug 2020 20:25 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Rupert Boleyn (11 Aug 2020 22:55 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (13 Aug 2020 22:45 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (14 Aug 2020 00:35 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (10 Aug 2020 09:52 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (10 Aug 2020 10:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (13 Aug 2020 06:04 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (13 Aug 2020 07:31 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (30 Jul 2020 03:38 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (26 Jul 2020 00:20 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (26 Jul 2020 15:27 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (26 Jul 2020 19:00 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (28 Jul 2020 21:21 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin (25 Jul 2020 23:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Timothy Collinson (26 Jul 2020 10:12 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus kaladorn@xxxxxx (17 Jul 2020 00:59 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Ethan McKinney (16 Jul 2020 20:56 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Thomas RUX (16 Jul 2020 21:26 UTC)
Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Phil Pugliese (21 Jul 2020 14:59 UTC)

Re: [TML] Refuelling Apparatus Jeff Zeitlin 26 Jul 2020 00:20 UTC

On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:52:18 -0400, xxxxxx@gmail.com wrote to Freelance
Traveller:

>Administrative punishment (vs. a legal proceeding) if I understand
>correctly. It's not something you want to face. I believe it exists so that
>crews can deal with bad choices without having to leave too much of a
>permanent mark in somebody's personnel jacket.

"It's not something you want to face." That depends on circumstance; if
it's a borderline case where one could justify either a severe masting or a
full court-martial, if you're offered the choice - usually "If you take a
masting, I'm going to sentence you to X, vs facing a full court, which will
likely drum you out" - you take the masting. Unless you're _really_
confident that you can get the court-martial board on your side during the
trial. I've been in this position in the NYPD equivalent (see below); I had
a choice of taking a Schedule B penalty of losing five days of leave time
(the maximum the Commanding Officer is allowed to impose as a penalty), or
taking "charges and specifications" and "going to the trial room"
(equivalent to court-martial). I took the Schedule B; it took many years
before I got a promotion that on the basis of pure technical merit I had
deserved almost immediately after the initial six months after my
"discussion". I took the Schedule B _knowing_ that it could end my career
progression, because I knew that I was _not_ going to be able to convince
the Department Advocate's jury that I was more valuable "alive" than
"dead".

In the NYPD, we call them "Command Discipline" ('CD'), and there are two
classes: A 'Schedule A' CD will "fall off" your record after six months, so
if you keep your nose clean for that long, it'd be like it never happened;
a 'Schedule B' is permanent. An A can kill a promotion or 'plum' assignment
for _this_ cycle, but will probably fall off by the next cycle; a B can
kill your chances for the plum assignment permanently, and while it cannot
(because of New York State civil service law) bar you from standing for
promotion, it _can_ be used as a deciding factor (adverse) between you and
a candidate who stands at the same score on the qualifying examination.

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